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Boothroyd "gutted" by play-off exit
6:46am Thursday 15th May 2008
Comments (87)Aidy Boothroyd declared himself "gutted" by last night's play-off semi-final defeat but said he had no qualms about the result.
"I thought we played very well," said the manager. "We stuck to the gameplan, played some terrific football but we conceded a poor goal just before half-time.
"We were unfortunate in the end but you reap what you sow. We didn't take our chances and didn't deserve a place in the final or in the Premiership. We are where we are for a reason but I'm gutted for everyone at the club who has worked so hard."
Added Boothroyd: "I'm proud of my players and but for mistakes it could have been a different story.
"Four-one was harsh on us but that happens when you get caught out chasing the game. Credit to Hull, they deserve to go through."
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chris, the vic says...
8:01am Thu 15 May 08
Difficult not to agree with Aidy's comments and in the final analysis I would include the fans.
The attendance at the home leg was bad, last years cup semi final with all those empty seats spoke volumes and the Play off final in cardiff with a couple of thousand empty seats a further indication of what we deserve
The attendance at the home leg was bad, last years cup semi final with all those empty seats spoke volumes and the Play off final in cardiff with a couple of thousand empty seats a further indication of what we deserve
Metal Mickey, Iver Bucks says...
8:19am Thu 15 May 08
Winston wrote:We win together and take the accolades together, therefore when we lose Winston we lose together. The players have not beeb good enough at times, the manager has admitted he made mistakes, I will admit I have not been the best at supporting this season, I could have given more. So we are all at fault, but are you and the other whingers on here prepared to put your hands up and say " I could have done better"...I doubt it
Understatement of the year - Hornets boss Aidy Boothroyd later conceded his side were not good enough over the two legs and looks set for a major overhaul of the squad in the summer. I trust he includes himself?
peter parker, the big apple says...
9:02am Thu 15 May 08
Couldnt agree more then MM and chris. We certainly didnt play good enough football this season and we got found out, however although its taken a little longer then we hoped i think Aidy has realised this and I am looking forward to next season. If however the performances and win ratio is not dramatically improved after 10 to 15 games then we will need to start looking at new options, Aidy does deserve to be given a chance to improve what has happened ...
With regards to posters on this site this is how i see it ..
you have got the hard core fans who give their all at every game they go to but realise that the performances havent been good, but also know that chanting and booing doesnt achieve anything, supporters like VoR, chris, tiger bay boy etc etc etc .. then you have got the Colon McZippy brigade, nothing is ever right even when we win they havent a good word to say, now that is boring, predictable and repetitive. I also dont give a F**k what people like this think about me, the football team or life in general. I would never socialise with people so petty and small minded as that and although they do sometimes have a valid comment they destroy it by being abusive. so give me your worst abuse colun Mczippy because it really hurts my feelings and i really need your aproval to survive in this dark depressing world !!!...
Then you have got Ozzy/slasher who has never posted a comment about anything football related and only posts abuse to what everyone else has to say. that has now got predictable as well, try to come up with something that is insightfull and interesting slashy washy or then again you could come up with some witty put down about spiderman because thats really going to tell me !!!
Looking forward to the banter again next season already.
We may not all agree but the one consistant thing is we all want the best for WFC (well most of us do), all the best and heres to next season ..
With regards to posters on this site this is how i see it ..
you have got the hard core fans who give their all at every game they go to but realise that the performances havent been good, but also know that chanting and booing doesnt achieve anything, supporters like VoR, chris, tiger bay boy etc etc etc .. then you have got the Colon McZippy brigade, nothing is ever right even when we win they havent a good word to say, now that is boring, predictable and repetitive. I also dont give a F**k what people like this think about me, the football team or life in general. I would never socialise with people so petty and small minded as that and although they do sometimes have a valid comment they destroy it by being abusive. so give me your worst abuse colun Mczippy because it really hurts my feelings and i really need your aproval to survive in this dark depressing world !!!...
Then you have got Ozzy/slasher who has never posted a comment about anything football related and only posts abuse to what everyone else has to say. that has now got predictable as well, try to come up with something that is insightfull and interesting slashy washy or then again you could come up with some witty put down about spiderman because thats really going to tell me !!!
Looking forward to the banter again next season already.
We may not all agree but the one consistant thing is we all want the best for WFC (well most of us do), all the best and heres to next season ..
pete, Guildford says...
9:15am Thu 15 May 08
Since we now have to look forward a strong response from Aidy is needed to show he means what he says.Previously this season he has talked about the footballing sides being midtable. The main 3 mentioned were WBA,Bristol City and Ipswich. At the end of the season 1 promoted, 1 in the final and 1 just missing the play-offs.
We do not need to become the aristocrats of the division but the players are clearly happier playing "football".
A statement of intent now from Aidy would be to retain as integral players Rinaldi and Williamson. He shpuld then decide on the style of play and forwards to fit it and unload a lot of the current forwards and target any replacements. Kabba is clearly surplus to any of these requirements - though he tries hard he is not Aidy's choice as a winger or centre in front of most others. Ellington he will need to decide about quickly. Hoskins is the interesting one and although I am sure Aidy will let him go this is one that may come back to bite us.
As regards goalkeepers Richard is short of the ability to command his area in the air and has made too many mistakes this year, Blackburn didn't send him back because they were so impressed. However I suspect that Aidy will promote Scott Loach who has looked good the twice I have seen him this season, retain Richard and the American and offload Poom.
I've already got next years' season ticket so have to look forward in hope that Aidy means what he says!
We do not need to become the aristocrats of the division but the players are clearly happier playing "football".
A statement of intent now from Aidy would be to retain as integral players Rinaldi and Williamson. He shpuld then decide on the style of play and forwards to fit it and unload a lot of the current forwards and target any replacements. Kabba is clearly surplus to any of these requirements - though he tries hard he is not Aidy's choice as a winger or centre in front of most others. Ellington he will need to decide about quickly. Hoskins is the interesting one and although I am sure Aidy will let him go this is one that may come back to bite us.
As regards goalkeepers Richard is short of the ability to command his area in the air and has made too many mistakes this year, Blackburn didn't send him back because they were so impressed. However I suspect that Aidy will promote Scott Loach who has looked good the twice I have seen him this season, retain Richard and the American and offload Poom.
I've already got next years' season ticket so have to look forward in hope that Aidy means what he says!
pete, Guildford says...
9:17am Thu 15 May 08
Extra Freudian "on" on retained midfielders but he can stay as well!
Professor Plum, The Billiard Room says...
9:27am Thu 15 May 08
Thank god thats over. Terrible season. I cant remember watching a more tactically inept Watford team except perhaps the side that Bassett put together after taking over from Lord Taylor.
Even the Perryman/Lee/Roeder years were more fun and the pitiful standard of football we played back then more understandable because of the largely dismal players at those managers disposal.
Give Hoofers till October. If theres no improvement in playing style/results by then hes gotta go. And before any numpty bothers to post an imbecilic who are you going to replace him with? response, how many of you had actually even heard the name Adrian Boothroyd before he took over from the extremely ill-treated Ray Lew?
The pitiful spin after every god-awful performance; the outright lies regarding the sale of King; the decision to make fans stump up for season tickets for next year with a third of the present season left, have all combined to leave my previously bottomless well of good will towards WFC severely drained. And dont mention the patronizing jerk on the tannoy at every home game .
Looking forward to the new season already!
By the way, does anyone know what Dave Bassetts doing now?
Even the Perryman/Lee/Roeder years were more fun and the pitiful standard of football we played back then more understandable because of the largely dismal players at those managers disposal.
Give Hoofers till October. If theres no improvement in playing style/results by then hes gotta go. And before any numpty bothers to post an imbecilic who are you going to replace him with? response, how many of you had actually even heard the name Adrian Boothroyd before he took over from the extremely ill-treated Ray Lew?
The pitiful spin after every god-awful performance; the outright lies regarding the sale of King; the decision to make fans stump up for season tickets for next year with a third of the present season left, have all combined to leave my previously bottomless well of good will towards WFC severely drained. And dont mention the patronizing jerk on the tannoy at every home game .
Looking forward to the new season already!
By the way, does anyone know what Dave Bassetts doing now?
stevemag, Windsor says...
9:33am Thu 15 May 08
Well the manager finally realised that the style of play had to change in the second week in May. Too late im afraid. We played very well last night in the first half but of course the Richard Lee mistake /their goal killed us off. 4-1 was really a flattering scoreline as of course we were so open at the back chasing the game.
What's most frustrating for me is we had so many second chances during the season, as late as the home game against Barnsley - win it and we go top. Im sad that the manager was so stubborn and would n't change the style of play until it was too late.
Anyhow, here's to next season and hopefully a tighter defence and more goals at the right end !
What's most frustrating for me is we had so many second chances during the season, as late as the home game against Barnsley - win it and we go top. Im sad that the manager was so stubborn and would n't change the style of play until it was too late.
Anyhow, here's to next season and hopefully a tighter defence and more goals at the right end !
realist, MK says...
9:42am Thu 15 May 08
Well it was an interesting season right to the end! Good performance last night and honestly think if not for howler before half time we'd have been level shortly after as they were on the ropes. Nice to see some real football being played, they have proven that they can and so here's to next season playing that way with a few better players and an ability to play our way through bad spells and get promoted...without the pressure of being expected to this time. Come on you 'orns, roll on next season! And by the way CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP!
yellowarmy2008, says...
9:51am Thu 15 May 08
I think he's got it spot on about changes. We must get in decent players and get rif of the rubbish players, such as Al Bangura and Lloyd Doyley. Times For Changes. Youuuu orns!
yellowarmy2008, says...
9:51am Thu 15 May 08
I think he's got it spot on about changes. We must get in decent players and get rif of the rubbish players, such as Al Bangura and Lloyd Doyley. Times For Changes. Youuuu orns!
Berks Horn, London says...
10:33am Thu 15 May 08
A good performance on the whole last night bar the obvious glaring errors and proof that we can play football when we want to (which does beg the question why haven't we been?!).
I predict Aidy will still be with us next season. Simpson won't let him go. A new owner might have done but who's going to invest in us at the moment? Aidy won't resign as he has a clear career path and resigning on the back of what he'll see as a failure would do him no good. I think it would be a mistake to lose him anyway.
Time to regroup though.
For my money we need a bit of a cull.
Retain Eustace, McAnuff, Williamson, Ellington, Bromby, Shittu, Smith and Williams as first teamers.
Get rid of Jackson, Poom, Demerit (as much as it pains me to say it), Francis, Henderson, Doyley, Kabba, Priskin, Bangura, Hoskins, Mariappa, Rinaldi (no point if you ain't gonna play him), Ashikodi, Avinel, Aloi (see Rinaldi).
Keep Loach, Lee, Robinson, Parkes, O'Toole, Clarke, Forbes, Campana, Ainsworth and Osborne in reserve. Move Liam Henderson up too.
We need to buy a quality goalkeeper and right back, cover for Bromby and Shittu (assuming he doesn't leave as the rumour mill would suggest), at least two decent midfielders, and a brand new set of strikers.
Aidy also needs a decent scout and assistant manager.
Next season is going to be harder than this. If we don't sort the wheat from the chaff now we'll be nowhere near the play-offs this time next year. No holiday for you yet Aidy!
I predict Aidy will still be with us next season. Simpson won't let him go. A new owner might have done but who's going to invest in us at the moment? Aidy won't resign as he has a clear career path and resigning on the back of what he'll see as a failure would do him no good. I think it would be a mistake to lose him anyway.
Time to regroup though.
For my money we need a bit of a cull.
Retain Eustace, McAnuff, Williamson, Ellington, Bromby, Shittu, Smith and Williams as first teamers.
Get rid of Jackson, Poom, Demerit (as much as it pains me to say it), Francis, Henderson, Doyley, Kabba, Priskin, Bangura, Hoskins, Mariappa, Rinaldi (no point if you ain't gonna play him), Ashikodi, Avinel, Aloi (see Rinaldi).
Keep Loach, Lee, Robinson, Parkes, O'Toole, Clarke, Forbes, Campana, Ainsworth and Osborne in reserve. Move Liam Henderson up too.
We need to buy a quality goalkeeper and right back, cover for Bromby and Shittu (assuming he doesn't leave as the rumour mill would suggest), at least two decent midfielders, and a brand new set of strikers.
Aidy also needs a decent scout and assistant manager.
Next season is going to be harder than this. If we don't sort the wheat from the chaff now we'll be nowhere near the play-offs this time next year. No holiday for you yet Aidy!
nb, surrey says...
10:34am Thu 15 May 08
For a supposed onslaught to the premier league I have to ask why changes weren't made sooner, even if only within the game play. I won't challenge intent or endeavour but good teams have to be able to adjust. The factors that influenced this were all in the manager's control. Our tactics were inept to the purist and ineffective from before Xmas. To employ something different for the play-offs only, is a bit after the event. I'll support the club whatever, but I am very disappointed with how the season's turned out and the manner in which we went about it. I don't believe the board will make managerial changes despite some justification and I therefore wonder if the key is getting a quality no 2 in before anything else. It did seem to start losing its wheels after KB left.
Winston, watford says...
11:33am Thu 15 May 08
AB has gone onto say "We have got to change in the way we do things" what have you all be saying over the season!
Metal Mickey, Iver Bucks says...
11:56am Thu 15 May 08
Berks Horn wrote:Agree accept that if we are going evolve our style of play I would keepPriskin, Hoskins as in a footballing side they would be completely different players. Hoskins has the potential to be that clever forward we need. Priskin is a very good player, just needs a few people to believe in him. Aloi was always going to be a player for the future, that was never a secret so we should keep him. I believe that Darius has another side to him as well, we played well last night with him dropping off and holding the ball, he is to good let go and would be a great squad player.
A good performance on the whole last night bar the obvious glaring errors and proof that we can play football when we want to (which does beg the question why haven't we been?!). I predict Aidy will still be with us next season. Simpson won't let him go. A new owner might have done but who's going to invest in us at the moment? Aidy won't resign as he has a clear career path and resigning on the back of what he'll see as a failure would do him no good. I think it would be a mistake to lose him anyway. Time to regroup though. For my money we need a bit of a cull. Retain Eustace, McAnuff, Williamson, Ellington, Bromby, Shittu, Smith and Williams as first teamers. Get rid of Jackson, Poom, Demerit (as much as it pains me to say it), Francis, Henderson, Doyley, Kabba, Priskin, Bangura, Hoskins, Mariappa, Rinaldi (no point if you ain't gonna play him), Ashikodi, Avinel, Aloi (see Rinaldi). Keep Loach, Lee, Robinson, Parkes, O'Toole, Clarke, Forbes, Campana, Ainsworth and Osborne in reserve. Move Liam Henderson up too. We need to buy a quality goalkeeper and right back, cover for Bromby and Shittu (assuming he doesn't leave as the rumour mill would suggest), at least two decent midfielders, and a brand new set of strikers. Aidy also needs a decent scout and assistant manager. Next season is going to be harder than this. If we don't sort the wheat from the chaff now we'll be nowhere near the play-offs this time next year. No holiday for you yet Aidy!
Peter Phillips, Loudwater says...
12:19pm Thu 15 May 08
Berks Horn wrote:You've forgotten Sadler! I know he is easy to forget but would you deal or not deal? Personally, I would not retain Ellington if we could get a decent price for him. Also, I would keep Henderson as a battering ram in the Championship, and I would also keep Demerit who, however bad he was yesterday, has had a raw deal from AB this season. I cannot comment on Hoskins nor Rinaldi because I have not seen enough of them. Priskin, oddly, might have been good in the Premiership but I agree he is surplus in a league where brawn is more important than brain. Otherwise, I am in complete agreement with you, even about Mariappa. Yes, on balance, he should go but, ideally, only on loan to gain experience.
A good performance on the whole last night bar the obvious glaring errors and proof that we can play football when we want to (which does beg the question why haven't we been?!). I predict Aidy will still be with us next season. Simpson won't let him go. A new owner might have done but who's going to invest in us at the moment? Aidy won't resign as he has a clear career path and resigning on the back of what he'll see as a failure would do him no good. I think it would be a mistake to lose him anyway. Time to regroup though. For my money we need a bit of a cull. Retain Eustace, McAnuff, Williamson, Ellington, Bromby, Shittu, Smith and Williams as first teamers. Get rid of Jackson, Poom, Demerit (as much as it pains me to say it), Francis, Henderson, Doyley, Kabba, Priskin, Bangura, Hoskins, Mariappa, Rinaldi (no point if you ain't gonna play him), Ashikodi, Avinel, Aloi (see Rinaldi). Keep Loach, Lee, Robinson, Parkes, O'Toole, Clarke, Forbes, Campana, Ainsworth and Osborne in reserve. Move Liam Henderson up too. We need to buy a quality goalkeeper and right back, cover for Bromby and Shittu (assuming he doesn't leave as the rumour mill would suggest), at least two decent midfielders, and a brand new set of strikers. Aidy also needs a decent scout and assistant manager. Next season is going to be harder than this. If we don't sort the wheat from the chaff now we'll be nowhere near the play-offs this time next year. No holiday for you yet Aidy!
WFC & Proud, Watford says...
12:26pm Thu 15 May 08
Prof Plum - to quote you: "Give Hoofers till October."
1st or 31st of October?
If the 1st, that'll be 8 weeks & maybe 10 matches (assuming season starts 9th August) so you're having a larf! I say honour his contract until 2010.
As for "And before any numpty bothers to post an imbecilic who are you going to replace him with? response, how many of you had actually even heard the name Adrian Boothroyd before he took over from the extremely ill-treated Ray Lew?" I hadn't - had you, then? I did some research once we showed interest in the bloke & he turned-out to be a better coach & motivator (IMHO) than the more experienced Ray Lew. Therefore, a successful appointment, in my opinion.
And yes - who are you hoping to replace him with??? Sven? Big Phil Scolari? Sir Alex? Arsene Wenger? Sam Allardyce? Your good self? As an imbecilic, Happy Clapping, numpty I really would value your opinion....
As for Dave Bassett & what he's doing now, I suspect you've probably got a head start on me there, too & see him whenever you look in a mirror......
1st or 31st of October?
If the 1st, that'll be 8 weeks & maybe 10 matches (assuming season starts 9th August) so you're having a larf! I say honour his contract until 2010.
As for "And before any numpty bothers to post an imbecilic who are you going to replace him with? response, how many of you had actually even heard the name Adrian Boothroyd before he took over from the extremely ill-treated Ray Lew?" I hadn't - had you, then? I did some research once we showed interest in the bloke & he turned-out to be a better coach & motivator (IMHO) than the more experienced Ray Lew. Therefore, a successful appointment, in my opinion.
And yes - who are you hoping to replace him with??? Sven? Big Phil Scolari? Sir Alex? Arsene Wenger? Sam Allardyce? Your good self? As an imbecilic, Happy Clapping, numpty I really would value your opinion....
As for Dave Bassett & what he's doing now, I suspect you've probably got a head start on me there, too & see him whenever you look in a mirror......
Berks Horn, London says...
1:02pm Thu 15 May 08
Peter, you're right. I'd keep Sadler - I think he's a decent left back and looked good going forward on the overlap with McAnuff yesterday. If we got the right money for Ellinton I'd deal but I fear we wouldn't get the £3.25M we paid for him at this point in time.
Jay has been a great servant to the club and of all of them I'd be most sad to see him go. But I fear that he's become disillusioned with Aidy and will be looking elsewhere anyway. Plus, he's given some pretty shocking displays second half of the season.
Maybe you're right about Mariappa going out on loan but he's certainly not first team material at this point.
Jay has been a great servant to the club and of all of them I'd be most sad to see him go. But I fear that he's become disillusioned with Aidy and will be looking elsewhere anyway. Plus, he's given some pretty shocking displays second half of the season.
Maybe you're right about Mariappa going out on loan but he's certainly not first team material at this point.
Professor Plum, The Billiard Room says...
1:10pm Thu 15 May 08
As for Dave Bassett & what he's doing now, I suspect you've probably got a head start on me there, too & see him whenever you look in a mirror......
A good point, well made!
triggerhorn, ICKENHAM says...
1:16pm Thu 15 May 08
dream realisic starting XI next season :
LEE CAMP, DOYLEY, SHITTU, BROMBY, SADLER, EAGLES, WILLIAMS, EUSTACE,MCANUFF, SMITH AND EASTWOOD
LEE CAMP, DOYLEY, SHITTU, BROMBY, SADLER, EAGLES, WILLIAMS, EUSTACE,MCANUFF, SMITH AND EASTWOOD
yellowarmy2008, says...
1:56pm Thu 15 May 08
I think that Aidy Needs to get rid of some of his more 'lazy' players like DeMerit and bring in Premier League players like Steve Sidwell. We need people at the club who want to get into the Premier League. Going Up As Champions Next Year. Also Whats going on with having Mart Poom on the bench. He's had a big influence at Arsenal and Derby and instead we have Richard Lee in goal. He's another one whos add his time at the club. Think Aidys right. Get out the useless people at the club and bring in new people.
luther67, watford says...
2:20pm Thu 15 May 08
Isn't Sidwell reportedly on about £35k a week at Chelsea?
mike.keith, St Albans says...
2:30pm Thu 15 May 08
At last we have a recognition that Boothroyd needs to change the way we play. I criticise him for not doing it sooner in November when our system of the long ball had been worked out by our opponents, we were not playing well, and the players used couldn't execute the system.It was his system.
Furthermore,his selection of players he has brought have been questionable apert from the Janaury signings excluding John.
Let's hope the lessons are learnt.
Furthermore,his selection of players he has brought have been questionable apert from the Janaury signings excluding John.
Let's hope the lessons are learnt.
goatswilly, In a field says...
2:32pm Thu 15 May 08
Berks Horn wrote:Campana has not been retained.
A good performance on the whole last night bar the obvious glaring errors and proof that we can play football when we want to (which does beg the question why haven't we been?!). I predict Aidy will still be with us next season. Simpson won't let him go. A new owner might have done but who's going to invest in us at the moment? Aidy won't resign as he has a clear career path and resigning on the back of what he'll see as a failure would do him no good. I think it would be a mistake to lose him anyway. Time to regroup though. For my money we need a bit of a cull. Retain Eustace, McAnuff, Williamson, Ellington, Bromby, Shittu, Smith and Williams as first teamers. Get rid of Jackson, Poom, Demerit (as much as it pains me to say it), Francis, Henderson, Doyley, Kabba, Priskin, Bangura, Hoskins, Mariappa, Rinaldi (no point if you ain't gonna play him), Ashikodi, Avinel, Aloi (see Rinaldi). Keep Loach, Lee, Robinson, Parkes, O'Toole, Clarke, Forbes, Campana, Ainsworth and Osborne in reserve. Move Liam Henderson up too. We need to buy a quality goalkeeper and right back, cover for Bromby and Shittu (assuming he doesn't leave as the rumour mill would suggest), at least two decent midfielders, and a brand new set of strikers. Aidy also needs a decent scout and assistant manager. Next season is going to be harder than this. If we don't sort the wheat from the chaff now we'll be nowhere near the play-offs this time next year. No holiday for you yet Aidy!
RobBig, Kings Langley says...
2:37pm Thu 15 May 08
Yellowarmy2008....Wh
at are you going on about?
Lazy players are players who show no effort! Now correct me if I'm wrong but Jay Demerit has given more than his fair share for our club. Steve Sidwell?? What makes you think he'll come to Watford rather than collect his hefty pay check for bench warming at Chelsea!!! And what sort of influence did Poom have at Arsenal behind Lehmann and Almunia? He was a revelation at Derby...10 YEARS AGO YOU IDIOT! The reason he hasn't figured is because he was becoming a liability.
Come back when you have some sense!!!
at are you going on about?
Lazy players are players who show no effort! Now correct me if I'm wrong but Jay Demerit has given more than his fair share for our club. Steve Sidwell?? What makes you think he'll come to Watford rather than collect his hefty pay check for bench warming at Chelsea!!! And what sort of influence did Poom have at Arsenal behind Lehmann and Almunia? He was a revelation at Derby...10 YEARS AGO YOU IDIOT! The reason he hasn't figured is because he was becoming a liability.
Come back when you have some sense!!!
RobBig, Kings Langley says...
2:39pm Thu 15 May 08
goatswilly wrote:Neither has Forbes to my knowledge!!!
Berks Horn wrote: A good performance on the whole last night bar the obvious glaring errors and proof that we can play football when we want to (which does beg the question why haven't we been?!). I predict Aidy will still be with us next season. Simpson won't let him go. A new owner might have done but who's going to invest in us at the moment? Aidy won't resign as he has a clear career path and resigning on the back of what he'll see as a failure would do him no good. I think it would be a mistake to lose him anyway. Time to regroup though. For my money we need a bit of a cull. Retain Eustace, McAnuff, Williamson, Ellington, Bromby, Shittu, Smith and Williams as first teamers. Get rid of Jackson, Poom, Demerit (as much as it pains me to say it), Francis, Henderson, Doyley, Kabba, Priskin, Bangura, Hoskins, Mariappa, Rinaldi (no point if you ain't gonna play him), Ashikodi, Avinel, Aloi (see Rinaldi). Keep Loach, Lee, Robinson, Parkes, O'Toole, Clarke, Forbes, Campana, Ainsworth and Osborne in reserve. Move Liam Henderson up too. We need to buy a quality goalkeeper and right back, cover for Bromby and Shittu (assuming he doesn't leave as the rumour mill would suggest), at least two decent midfielders, and a brand new set of strikers. Aidy also needs a decent scout and assistant manager. Next season is going to be harder than this. If we don't sort the wheat from the chaff now we'll be nowhere near the play-offs this time next year. No holiday for you yet Aidy!Campana has not been retained.
SIMMO, BUCKS says...
3:34pm Thu 15 May 08
Yes BOOTHROYD we are all gutted too ,GUTTED you sold our best player in January got it right though i suppose you will say ,as you said it will cost WFC 60million if King was sold WELL YOU WERE RIGHT !!
GUTTED by the football
played
GUTTED by the tactics
GUTTED by the spin
Gutted by the way this club is being run Mr Chairman
Gutted it took untill last two games of season for you to attempt to play the game on the ground Mr Boothroyd
GUTTED you did not listen to the fans earlier
GUTTED that NOW we will have to sit an watch as you have to sell the few good players we do have i.e Shittu,Smith as Chairman has no money and will insist on the cost cuttings
GUTTED that we will now have plan B east stand if that even happens !
Basically Gutted we threw away a 9 point lead and ended up being thrashed 6-1 in the play-offs that is 9-1 against Hull in last couple of months
and FINALLY gutted WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS
selling KING,YOUNG,BOUAZZA,M
AHON,SPRING ,failure to hold onto FOSTER,JOHNSON premiership we were havin a laugh ! unfortunatley Mr Chairman we are not laughing ,you must be though as we have forked out for season tickets already ,as we had to or lose them before knowing what we were paying for ,Now after less than one season you want us to buy another NEW kit ,so much for agreement we would only change every two years ,you must think we are mugs !
Enjoy laughing at us
TIME FOR CHANGE ALLROUND !
GUTTED by the football
played
GUTTED by the tactics
GUTTED by the spin
Gutted by the way this club is being run Mr Chairman
Gutted it took untill last two games of season for you to attempt to play the game on the ground Mr Boothroyd
GUTTED you did not listen to the fans earlier
GUTTED that NOW we will have to sit an watch as you have to sell the few good players we do have i.e Shittu,Smith as Chairman has no money and will insist on the cost cuttings
GUTTED that we will now have plan B east stand if that even happens !
Basically Gutted we threw away a 9 point lead and ended up being thrashed 6-1 in the play-offs that is 9-1 against Hull in last couple of months
and FINALLY gutted WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS
selling KING,YOUNG,BOUAZZA,M
AHON,SPRING ,failure to hold onto FOSTER,JOHNSON premiership we were havin a laugh ! unfortunatley Mr Chairman we are not laughing ,you must be though as we have forked out for season tickets already ,as we had to or lose them before knowing what we were paying for ,Now after less than one season you want us to buy another NEW kit ,so much for agreement we would only change every two years ,you must think we are mugs !
Enjoy laughing at us
TIME FOR CHANGE ALLROUND !
Berks Horn, London says...
3:42pm Thu 15 May 08
Interesting. Campana only signed a pro contract at the beginning of the season didn't he?
Understand Diagouraga has been let go too - from what i saw of him he looked pretty promising.
Begs some questions of the youth set up really.
Understand Diagouraga has been let go too - from what i saw of him he looked pretty promising.
Begs some questions of the youth set up really.
henry, oxhey says...
3:50pm Thu 15 May 08
We finished 6th but only won a third of our home games - hence the disillusionment of stay away fans who realised that we are not yet good enough to go up with any prospect of enjoying a successful season.
I think most fans want a better style of play as a starting point so we can get back to generating a crowd atmosphere that makes the Vic buzz so it's good to read of the coming shake up.
It's not easy just to dump in-contract players Berko although some sort of loan deals may be possible for those not transferred on or released.
AB has some major decisions to make - if we are to pass the ball about and maybe play a diamond formation then give the fluent players a chance to establish themselves and forget old prejudices.
We need a better keeper who doesn't freeze when instructed to try to dominate the area, a reliable scorer (easily said), a balance of left and right sided players and a 'general' at the back to keep things solid. Also don't sell our key players to Fulham - the new enemy....
'In this division a bunch of guys who you've never heard of turn up and beat you 1 - 0' saith the man from West Brom.
There are a few very capable players in teams like Blackpool, Scunny etc who could make an impact here.
I think most fans want a better style of play as a starting point so we can get back to generating a crowd atmosphere that makes the Vic buzz so it's good to read of the coming shake up.
It's not easy just to dump in-contract players Berko although some sort of loan deals may be possible for those not transferred on or released.
AB has some major decisions to make - if we are to pass the ball about and maybe play a diamond formation then give the fluent players a chance to establish themselves and forget old prejudices.
We need a better keeper who doesn't freeze when instructed to try to dominate the area, a reliable scorer (easily said), a balance of left and right sided players and a 'general' at the back to keep things solid. Also don't sell our key players to Fulham - the new enemy....
'In this division a bunch of guys who you've never heard of turn up and beat you 1 - 0' saith the man from West Brom.
There are a few very capable players in teams like Blackpool, Scunny etc who could make an impact here.
Richard, Come On You Golden Boys! says...
4:15pm Thu 15 May 08
Good effort last night which was ruined by the defensive lapse between Lee & Demerit (who looked strangely out of form throughout.)
Glad to see us play some decent football but really can't understand why it happened so late in the season.
To all those morons calling for Boothroyd's head, he signed a new 3-year deal only last year and should be given the chance to turn things around - which he obviously intends to do.
The Championship will be very tough next year, lots of big sides will be pushing hard, so I would settle for another top six season (automatic promotion will be extremely tough) but unlike this year, with us playing decent football and our supporters behind the team rather than at each other's throats.
It's not the end of the world, so let's keep the faith & Come on you Golden Boys!
Glad to see us play some decent football but really can't understand why it happened so late in the season.
To all those morons calling for Boothroyd's head, he signed a new 3-year deal only last year and should be given the chance to turn things around - which he obviously intends to do.
The Championship will be very tough next year, lots of big sides will be pushing hard, so I would settle for another top six season (automatic promotion will be extremely tough) but unlike this year, with us playing decent football and our supporters behind the team rather than at each other's throats.
It's not the end of the world, so let's keep the faith & Come on you Golden Boys!
Peter Phillips, Loudwater says...
4:20pm Thu 15 May 08
yellowarmy2008 wrote:Sidwell? You're having a laugh! He is probably earning at Chelsea as much as the whole of the Watford team put together! How about getting Matt Spring back? I never knew why AB sold him, unless they fell out. He was the most constructive midfield player during the whole of AB's reign.
I think that Aidy Needs to get rid of some of his more 'lazy' players like DeMerit and bring in Premier League players like Steve Sidwell. We need people at the club who want to get into the Premier League. Going Up As Champions Next Year. Also Whats going on with having Mart Poom on the bench. He's had a big influence at Arsenal and Derby and instead we have Richard Lee in goal. He's another one whos add his time at the club. Think Aidys right. Get out the useless people at the club and bring in new people.
Stewart, Home says...
4:22pm Thu 15 May 08
Richard, good post. Demerit was awful last night, prob had one eye on leaving the club, i don't know though. Sure Aidy will turn it around for us. Full time moaners, part time 'supporters'.
Berks Horn, London says...
4:26pm Thu 15 May 08
Wasn't suggesting that we dump the in-contract players but attempt to flog them off. They're all players that have legs and most would get games at some club or another in the Championship or below. Most of them are not up to the standard we need though and by getting rid we'd cut the wage bill which might allow us to offer better wages to a smaller but more quality set of players to build up a leaner, meaner squad.
We should be looking at bit part players from the Premiership (Boro have a quality winger I hear), maybe an odd experienced head a la Nicky Barmby, young talent like Ebanks-Blake or Hoolahan, maybe a few cheaper, quality foreign players.
We should be looking at bit part players from the Premiership (Boro have a quality winger I hear), maybe an odd experienced head a la Nicky Barmby, young talent like Ebanks-Blake or Hoolahan, maybe a few cheaper, quality foreign players.
Stewart, Home says...
4:27pm Thu 15 May 08
SIMMO wrote:You do talk a lot of crap. You must know the background behind why the players you listed left, it's not that simple. Who said we're going to sell Shittu and Smith?? S##t post.
Yes BOOTHROYD we are all gutted too ,GUTTED you sold our best player in January got it right though i suppose you will say ,as you said it will cost WFC 60million if King was sold WELL YOU WERE RIGHT !! GUTTED by the football played GUTTED by the tactics GUTTED by the spin Gutted by the way this club is being run Mr Chairman Gutted it took untill last two games of season for you to attempt to play the game on the ground Mr Boothroyd GUTTED you did not listen to the fans earlier GUTTED that NOW we will have to sit an watch as you have to sell the few good players we do have i.e Shittu,Smith as Chairman has no money and will insist on the cost cuttings GUTTED that we will now have plan B east stand if that even happens ! Basically Gutted we threw away a 9 point lead and ended up being thrashed 6-1 in the play-offs that is 9-1 against Hull in last couple of months and FINALLY gutted WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS selling KING,YOUNG,BOUAZZA,M AHON,SPRING ,failure to hold onto FOSTER,JOHNSON premiership we were havin a laugh ! unfortunatley Mr Chairman we are not laughing ,you must be though as we have forked out for season tickets already ,as we had to or lose them before knowing what we were paying for ,Now after less than one season you want us to buy another NEW kit ,so much for agreement we would only change every two years ,you must think we are mugs ! Enjoy laughing at us TIME FOR CHANGE ALLROUND !
watfordkev, Watford says...
4:28pm Thu 15 May 08
I presume DeMerit might be on his way (bad times). And Shittu (bad times). And Ellington (good times).
Mark, Watford says...
4:38pm Thu 15 May 08
Don't blame Aidy for not keeping Johnson/ Foster...the clubs that they play for wanted them back!
Professor Plum, The Billiard Room says...
4:45pm Thu 15 May 08
I fear the worst for next season. Theres going to be a huge turnover among the playing staff this summer including those who want to leave (Shittu, DeMerit etc) and others wholl get the chop because theyre clearly not up to it Bangura, Williamson et al.
This means that for the first three months well be expected to give the new look side a chance to gel by which time well be at best mid-table or (in my opinion more likely) among the early season relegation front runners
Not going up this year was without any shred of doubt more damaging to WFC than going down would have been the season they booted Lewington out.
And whens Plan B being announced then?
This means that for the first three months well be expected to give the new look side a chance to gel by which time well be at best mid-table or (in my opinion more likely) among the early season relegation front runners
Not going up this year was without any shred of doubt more damaging to WFC than going down would have been the season they booted Lewington out.
And whens Plan B being announced then?
SIMMO, BUCKS says...
5:02pm Thu 15 May 08
Stewart wrote:Wake up and smell the coffee ,THIS club has no money so our ASSETS i.e SHITTU/SMITH will be sold IN fact in Shittu's case it is an absolute cert,you just keep clapping and accepting it ,KING did not need to be sold just because he wanted to go he should have been managed properley told to get on with it especially as we paid his wages when he was injured all season in Premiership told he owed us and wait until end of season ,as soon as the window shut he would have had to knuckle down and he would have scored goals ,goals that we did not score that cost us promotion ,just like Hughes did at Blackburn with Macarthy and Roberts who by the way knuckled down and are now happy again ! THAT is how to manage ,basically if you say you are unhappy Watford would sell you, DISGRACE !
SIMMO wrote: Yes BOOTHROYD we are all gutted too ,GUTTED you sold our best player in January got it right though i suppose you will say ,as you said it will cost WFC 60million if King was sold WELL YOU WERE RIGHT !! GUTTED by the football played GUTTED by the tactics GUTTED by the spin Gutted by the way this club is being run Mr Chairman Gutted it took untill last two games of season for you to attempt to play the game on the ground Mr Boothroyd GUTTED you did not listen to the fans earlier GUTTED that NOW we will have to sit an watch as you have to sell the few good players we do have i.e Shittu,Smith as Chairman has no money and will insist on the cost cuttings GUTTED that we will now have plan B east stand if that even happens ! Basically Gutted we threw away a 9 point lead and ended up being thrashed 6-1 in the play-offs that is 9-1 against Hull in last couple of months and FINALLY gutted WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS selling KING,YOUNG,BOUAZZA,M AHON,SPRING ,failure to hold onto FOSTER,JOHNSON premiership we were havin a laugh ! unfortunatley Mr Chairman we are not laughing ,you must be though as we have forked out for season tickets already ,as we had to or lose them before knowing what we were paying for ,Now after less than one season you want us to buy another NEW kit ,so much for agreement we would only change every two years ,you must think we are mugs ! Enjoy laughing at us TIME FOR CHANGE ALLROUND !You do talk a lot of crap. You must know the background behind why the players you listed left, it's not that simple. Who said we're going to sell Shittu and Smith?? S##t post.
Stewart, Home says...
5:12pm Thu 15 May 08
I don't accept everything the club does but it was quite obvious that King was not on his game for some time, he was getting too big for his boots and i agree he should have been shipped out.
Can't see Smithy going, Shittu have to wait and see. Some people on this site are never happy. I was sat two rows behind Simpson and Ashton last night signing with the fans. The guy has the clubs best interests at heart and will do the right thing. Wouldn't want to be Leicester, now there's a crap chairman! As for the others, Bouazza was chasing the money, Young offer too good to refuse, Foster injured, Johnson wanted by Boro. We still have a good squad in my opinion.
Can't see Smithy going, Shittu have to wait and see. Some people on this site are never happy. I was sat two rows behind Simpson and Ashton last night signing with the fans. The guy has the clubs best interests at heart and will do the right thing. Wouldn't want to be Leicester, now there's a crap chairman! As for the others, Bouazza was chasing the money, Young offer too good to refuse, Foster injured, Johnson wanted by Boro. We still have a good squad in my opinion.
hornetchris61, garston says...
5:12pm Thu 15 May 08
Whats all this moaning about aidys SPIN.what did you expect him to say? "the players are'nt up to it, my tattics are wrong". The truth is he had to keep positive, for the team, the fans, to not show weakness to the other teams. now the seasons over, he can start to say what he rally means. last night on sky he spoke about anew playing style next season, along with a change of personel. Have a bit of faith in a man who to his credit took us up, semi final, gave us a reasonable crack in the premiership,(but for poor ref desicions,we might had had a few more points) and finally play offs this year. Along the way we lost top players foster, hammmer, asley, MK, none of which he could do anything about. looking forward to next year already. YELLOWS!!!
Scotshorn, Aberdeen says...
5:14pm Thu 15 May 08
Prof Plum you said "Give Hoofers till October. If theres no improvement in playing style/results by then hes gotta go."
I wouldn't particulary recommend this as a sensible approach - imagine if the club had done as you had said this time last year after relegation. Performances to October were resonable and results were great!
The signs are there that AB is learning his trade & personally, I can't see anything can be gained by getting rid of him. Different story from the playing staff though.
Whoever said let Loach step up, get rid of Poom & make Lee number 2 has probably picked it in one - although (don't laugh) Gretna's keeper Greg Fleming is up for grabs - extremely promising 21 year old with international caps to his name & rumours of Championship clubs sniffing around already.
Getting rid of under-contract dross may be more of a problem than who to bring in. I think there are a few already here who have been under-used so far and who will thrive under the 'new system' - Priskin, Hoskins, Rinaldi, Aloi for example.
The main problem is in defence - for ages we were crying out for a left back. Nothing wrong with who we got, but now we seriously need a right back.
Many expect DeMerit to leave, leaving us short in central defence, but wasn't there an agreement that Davenport would be back permanently? If that is the case, and Shittu stays, then we really only need one defender and a goalkeeper to be successfully competitive next year.
Oh - and no way would I let Darius go. Far too valuable both up front & in defence.
I wouldn't particulary recommend this as a sensible approach - imagine if the club had done as you had said this time last year after relegation. Performances to October were resonable and results were great!
The signs are there that AB is learning his trade & personally, I can't see anything can be gained by getting rid of him. Different story from the playing staff though.
Whoever said let Loach step up, get rid of Poom & make Lee number 2 has probably picked it in one - although (don't laugh) Gretna's keeper Greg Fleming is up for grabs - extremely promising 21 year old with international caps to his name & rumours of Championship clubs sniffing around already.
Getting rid of under-contract dross may be more of a problem than who to bring in. I think there are a few already here who have been under-used so far and who will thrive under the 'new system' - Priskin, Hoskins, Rinaldi, Aloi for example.
The main problem is in defence - for ages we were crying out for a left back. Nothing wrong with who we got, but now we seriously need a right back.
Many expect DeMerit to leave, leaving us short in central defence, but wasn't there an agreement that Davenport would be back permanently? If that is the case, and Shittu stays, then we really only need one defender and a goalkeeper to be successfully competitive next year.
Oh - and no way would I let Darius go. Far too valuable both up front & in defence.
mattymashup, letchworth says...
6:09pm Thu 15 May 08
well the clearout has already started with stewart going last week and diaguraga, mcnamee and ashikodi all looking set to follow. this can only be a positive thing as it means we are freeing up wages hopefully for a couple of decent purchases.
Im hoping callum davenport will come back once his neck has healed as he would be perfect in our set up. I like the rest of you think we need to getr shot of even more players, but i think boothroyd will be doing so in stages as soon as he knows where his targets look likely to go.
I was really happy with the football we played in the last two games, we made many chances at home with our passing style and had it not been for that stupid first goal that we conceeded before half time last night i beleive we could have at least got the tie all level. It is good to see Boothroyd can chage the way we play and that he has enough humility to recognise where he is going wrong.
Remember supporters west brom went out of the playoffs last year and look at them now, all hope is not lost! (although my twenty pound bet we would go up has!) keep cheering vicarage faithfull!
Im hoping callum davenport will come back once his neck has healed as he would be perfect in our set up. I like the rest of you think we need to getr shot of even more players, but i think boothroyd will be doing so in stages as soon as he knows where his targets look likely to go.
I was really happy with the football we played in the last two games, we made many chances at home with our passing style and had it not been for that stupid first goal that we conceeded before half time last night i beleive we could have at least got the tie all level. It is good to see Boothroyd can chage the way we play and that he has enough humility to recognise where he is going wrong.
Remember supporters west brom went out of the playoffs last year and look at them now, all hope is not lost! (although my twenty pound bet we would go up has!) keep cheering vicarage faithfull!
mohican, sutton says...
6:17pm Thu 15 May 08
Maybe the shock of us playing in the deck has at long last sunk in to A Bs thick skull...We played some good soccer the past 2 games, perhaps the players where in shock as they looked good in both games against Hull....
We need a keeper badly, a right sided defender,and 2 good midfielders, but the luckiest person to not get the chop is our manager..As far as i am concerned he owes us all for his total stubborness, i truly hope he has learnt a lesson from the debacle of the past 20 games played..
I for one am getting fed up of being known as a supporter of a side that plays up and unders only..
Lets wipe the slate clean, and become a side that plays total soccer, and in honesty this is the only way to go, if our side ever makes the premiership...
Start to gain a few lost friends in us A B by unloading the few dead wood players we have on our books..
We need a keeper badly, a right sided defender,and 2 good midfielders, but the luckiest person to not get the chop is our manager..As far as i am concerned he owes us all for his total stubborness, i truly hope he has learnt a lesson from the debacle of the past 20 games played..
I for one am getting fed up of being known as a supporter of a side that plays up and unders only..
Lets wipe the slate clean, and become a side that plays total soccer, and in honesty this is the only way to go, if our side ever makes the premiership...
Start to gain a few lost friends in us A B by unloading the few dead wood players we have on our books..
rosh99, hereford says...
6:59pm Thu 15 May 08
All,
I must admit that I do not subscribe to this 'keep Aidy' train of thought. He is clearly now out of his depth and it's all well and good him saying that there needs to be change, but it could be a change for the worse is his track record is anything to go by. He'll get rid of Priskin and probably buy Collins John. He'll probably sell DeMerit and buy Titus Bramble. He'll probably sell Jobi Mac and buy Derby's worst winger. AB is bereft of ideas and I for one have no faith in him whatsoever.
Those of us with close links within the club have stated since November that AB is out of his depth and he had already lost the dressing room then. There is an obvious trend of him falling out with players because he never listens to anyone other than hmself and the end result is a club in disarray.
My opinion is that the board need to show some balls and get rid of him. My bet is that they will not do this. They will also lose any chance of my corporate help if they do not change.
I must admit that I do not subscribe to this 'keep Aidy' train of thought. He is clearly now out of his depth and it's all well and good him saying that there needs to be change, but it could be a change for the worse is his track record is anything to go by. He'll get rid of Priskin and probably buy Collins John. He'll probably sell DeMerit and buy Titus Bramble. He'll probably sell Jobi Mac and buy Derby's worst winger. AB is bereft of ideas and I for one have no faith in him whatsoever.
Those of us with close links within the club have stated since November that AB is out of his depth and he had already lost the dressing room then. There is an obvious trend of him falling out with players because he never listens to anyone other than hmself and the end result is a club in disarray.
My opinion is that the board need to show some balls and get rid of him. My bet is that they will not do this. They will also lose any chance of my corporate help if they do not change.
SF49ers, Broken Arrow says...
7:08pm Thu 15 May 08
Strange, but the crowd at bristol was not huge either despite leading from the away leg. Too much football ?too much cost for fans? To be honest, I would scrap the playoffs and have the third team go up as they earned it.
rosh99, hereford says...
7:32pm Thu 15 May 08
Oh yeah, what else has AB come out with this season...
1. Efficiency over effectiveness is what we need. WHAT? Any management guru will tell you that there's no point doing something efficiently if you're doing the wrong thing.
2. "Form goes out the window in the play-offs". Yeah right. We've just lost 6-1 and have played like a pub team for 6 months.
3. While in the Premiership AB said "We can really make an impact in this division" - WHAT??
4. "I see flashes of Premiership quality in Nathan Ellington" - SH*TE.
5. "The expectations of the fans have got to the players" - Well forgive us for expecting something above pub-level football from our team.
"We've punched above our weight recently" - NO, YOU'VE LOWERED OUR STANDARDS RECENTLY.
He needs to go otherwise we'll be in League 1 this time next year.
1. Efficiency over effectiveness is what we need. WHAT? Any management guru will tell you that there's no point doing something efficiently if you're doing the wrong thing.
2. "Form goes out the window in the play-offs". Yeah right. We've just lost 6-1 and have played like a pub team for 6 months.
3. While in the Premiership AB said "We can really make an impact in this division" - WHAT??
4. "I see flashes of Premiership quality in Nathan Ellington" - SH*TE.
5. "The expectations of the fans have got to the players" - Well forgive us for expecting something above pub-level football from our team.
"We've punched above our weight recently" - NO, YOU'VE LOWERED OUR STANDARDS RECENTLY.
He needs to go otherwise we'll be in League 1 this time next year.
zip, The real world says...
7:42pm Thu 15 May 08
Oh dear, you lot really have fallen for the latest spin - that regarding a change in playing style. Did anyone stop to think why it took to the play off semi finals to "change the style"?
To be thrashed so comprehensively in the semi finals of the play offs speaks volumes about the limitations of the manager and his shower of a team.
Clappers, there is one reason we didn't suffer relegation this season - adam johnson.
One win in 16, hardly any goals scored, a shed load conceded - relegation form my friends. I have said all along that too many of you were distracted by our league position - a false position. It was the manner of the defeats that you should have focused on - how many times have we been thrashed this season? For a club just out of the premiership and with a large budget to boot, this is totally embarrassing and unacceptable.
Boofers talks a good game but that is about it. If you look at the other managers in the championship, then he doesn't even begin to match up. The guy is a conman and a fraud, and has been exposed as such.
We are dropping like a stone and unless there is a rapid change of leadership then next season WE WILL BE RELEGATED.
I cannot believe how accepting some of you are - he has got away with murder this season and has to go.
Basically the majority of his signings need to be sold in the summer, and the manager himself should accept that he has no future in the game...he is an embarrassment to himself and the club.
I hate you Boothroyd and i long for the day when you are booted out of this club. Sadly by the time that happens this worm of a chairman will already have condemned us to league one.
There are dark times ahead clappers...stadium redevelopment will cripple this club, as will this fraud of a manger. BOOTHROYD OUT!!!!!
To be thrashed so comprehensively in the semi finals of the play offs speaks volumes about the limitations of the manager and his shower of a team.
Clappers, there is one reason we didn't suffer relegation this season - adam johnson.
One win in 16, hardly any goals scored, a shed load conceded - relegation form my friends. I have said all along that too many of you were distracted by our league position - a false position. It was the manner of the defeats that you should have focused on - how many times have we been thrashed this season? For a club just out of the premiership and with a large budget to boot, this is totally embarrassing and unacceptable.
Boofers talks a good game but that is about it. If you look at the other managers in the championship, then he doesn't even begin to match up. The guy is a conman and a fraud, and has been exposed as such.
We are dropping like a stone and unless there is a rapid change of leadership then next season WE WILL BE RELEGATED.
I cannot believe how accepting some of you are - he has got away with murder this season and has to go.
Basically the majority of his signings need to be sold in the summer, and the manager himself should accept that he has no future in the game...he is an embarrassment to himself and the club.
I hate you Boothroyd and i long for the day when you are booted out of this club. Sadly by the time that happens this worm of a chairman will already have condemned us to league one.
There are dark times ahead clappers...stadium redevelopment will cripple this club, as will this fraud of a manger. BOOTHROYD OUT!!!!!
Scotshorn, Aberdeen says...
7:53pm Thu 15 May 08
SF49ers wrote:Sort of agree with you - only I would prefer to see the play-offs scrapped in their current format. Cant agree that the third team have 'earned' the right to go up, so would have a one-off play-off between them and the third bottom team from the higher division - winner goes up or stays up.
Strange, but the crowd at bristol was not huge either despite leading from the away leg. Too much football ?too much cost for fans? To be honest, I would scrap the playoffs and have the third team go up as they earned it.
Mark, Watford says...
8:05pm Thu 15 May 08
So who do these Aidy outers what to take over?
rosh99, hereford says...
8:09pm Thu 15 May 08
Mark wrote:Paul Ince or Billy Davies. Either of them would sort out the crap that we've got there at the moment and also instil some reality into the club. Any other takers?
So who do these Aidy outers what to take over?
ptquinn, Watford says...
8:16pm Thu 15 May 08
Zip
Again what utter rubbish you type.
Yes the performances have been awful since around November. This has much to do with the Manager, coaching staff, players and yes us the Fans.
Those idiots who carped on as Jordon Stewart what hypocrits!
Yes he has been poor, but it didn't help by being on his back all the time and booing!.
I wish WFC fans would get real. We are an average mid table champioship side at best. We have no automatic right to be in the premiership let alone the championship. We have to earn that right.
We do not and never had a large budget. Yes large by WFC stanadards, but not compared to others in this league.
Aidy is a young inexperienced Manager which the board have decided to allow him to learn his graft at here. Yes he has made mistakes, including the rest of us that has cost our company's money.
And before someone says, I would get sacked if I made the same mistakes. Really?. It is part of life. You learn by your mistakes and become a better character for it. There are not many clubs who have had automatic success straight away by changing manager.
Are you going to dig deep in your pocket and pay off Aidy. I rather keep him and use the money to get players in.
Just remember the players have to perform, the Manager cant go on the pitch!
I would suggest he gets an 'old guard' to advise him.
I think there may be more players going out of the club than coming in, as the youth team looks promising this summer.
As I keep on saying if you don't like what you see, don't go to watch them. Go and support another team!
Those who make rude or stupid childish comments like 'I hate you Boothroyd' Grow up!.
It may take time for us to get promoted. I don't mind if we become a yo-yo club.
We all want is best for the club and I respect those with different views.
Come on WFC fans show some realism and reality!.
Again what utter rubbish you type.
Yes the performances have been awful since around November. This has much to do with the Manager, coaching staff, players and yes us the Fans.
Those idiots who carped on as Jordon Stewart what hypocrits!
Yes he has been poor, but it didn't help by being on his back all the time and booing!.
I wish WFC fans would get real. We are an average mid table champioship side at best. We have no automatic right to be in the premiership let alone the championship. We have to earn that right.
We do not and never had a large budget. Yes large by WFC stanadards, but not compared to others in this league.
Aidy is a young inexperienced Manager which the board have decided to allow him to learn his graft at here. Yes he has made mistakes, including the rest of us that has cost our company's money.
And before someone says, I would get sacked if I made the same mistakes. Really?. It is part of life. You learn by your mistakes and become a better character for it. There are not many clubs who have had automatic success straight away by changing manager.
Are you going to dig deep in your pocket and pay off Aidy. I rather keep him and use the money to get players in.
Just remember the players have to perform, the Manager cant go on the pitch!
I would suggest he gets an 'old guard' to advise him.
I think there may be more players going out of the club than coming in, as the youth team looks promising this summer.
As I keep on saying if you don't like what you see, don't go to watch them. Go and support another team!
Those who make rude or stupid childish comments like 'I hate you Boothroyd' Grow up!.
It may take time for us to get promoted. I don't mind if we become a yo-yo club.
We all want is best for the club and I respect those with different views.
Come on WFC fans show some realism and reality!.
andywatford, watford says...
8:17pm Thu 15 May 08
great post zip. glad to see some one who is not blinded by the rosy coloured specs of hoofers...
rosh99, hereford says...
8:25pm Thu 15 May 08
ptquinn - sticking with AB can only end in disaster for our club.
Zip - couldnt agree more.
Zip - couldnt agree more.
Mark, Watford says...
8:25pm Thu 15 May 08
Good ideas Rosh but I don't see Ince going from MK Dons soon unless for a Prem club and Davies did well in this league ofcourse but much like Aidy once Derby went up he made a few poor expensive signings...having said that under Jewell the Rams were no better.
I doubt we'd get anyone who is in a job.
I doubt we'd get anyone who is in a job.
Mark, Watford says...
8:27pm Thu 15 May 08
BTW Somebody has to actually want "the rubbish"...if we don;t think they are good enough why is any other Championship side going to?
rosh99, hereford says...
8:37pm Thu 15 May 08
Good point Mark - what we need is a championship club with a bit of money and who would like to spend a few £m on some strikers... someone like... QPR. They'd love Ellington and a couple of others :-)
Mark, Watford says...
8:38pm Thu 15 May 08
We have too many players in the squad that will not get games but are collecting wages that could be better spent on players who actually improve the side.
We can wish to get of anyone which is fair enough as we do need to move players but can Aidy manage to replace them?
Will the board let Boothroyd spend money and will anyone want certain players anyway!?
We can wish to get of anyone which is fair enough as we do need to move players but can Aidy manage to replace them?
Will the board let Boothroyd spend money and will anyone want certain players anyway!?
rosh99, hereford says...
8:56pm Thu 15 May 08
Yep all fair points. It's one of those things that only time will tell I fear. It is, unfortunately, a position that AB has got us into. Question is, can he get us out of it?
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
9:05pm Thu 15 May 08
Zip, you are still using the word 'we'. You have been warned. And please dont use the word 'friend' again. You are beginning to irritate me. Not wise.
zip, The real world says...
9:15pm Thu 15 May 08
tiger bay boy wrote:oh tiger gay boy i'm truly scared. What are you going to do? Growl at me?
Zip, you are still using the word 'we'. You have been warned. And please dont use the word 'friend' again. You are beginning to irritate me. Not wise.
This site is for adults and older twats like me. You need to go to bed, you've got a paper round and school in the morning.
Oh and by the way his real name is Eugene.
C'mon hard man!
slasherr, londun says...
9:31pm Thu 15 May 08
not see spiderman today. colni an gay boy fihting again. vOr not post today. sage an onoin is gone. borin mark bak. idoit from scotland. the bloke with the broken arrow. the antichris.the vicar. dont now why i bother
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
9:46pm Thu 15 May 08
zip wrote:Glad you described yourself as a ****, no arguments there. as for older, well im chuffed! Furphy, Kirby, Keen, i attended all their last games the most memorable being when Mike Keen was sacked on the saturday morning but was man enough to take the team 1 more time that afternoon. Huddersfield led 1-0 at the Vic before Tony Geidmintis and Alan Mayes (Watford players to you Zip) both got sent off. Bam-Bam Mercer hit 2 late goals to give Mike Keen a great send off in a game which ranks as a true great amongst us real fans, not glory hunting wan*ers like you and your kin on here. I would guess this site is for fans to express opinions and is not aimed at a particular generation, but your comments are typical and representative of the pr1ck you continually show yourself to be.
tiger bay boy wrote: Zip, you are still using the word 'we'. You have been warned. And please dont use the word 'friend' again. You are beginning to irritate me. Not wise.oh tiger gay boy i'm truly scared. What are you going to do? Growl at me? This site is for adults and older twats like me. You need to go to bed, you've got a paper round and school in the morning. Oh and by the way his real name is Eugene. C'mon hard man!
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
9:49pm Thu 15 May 08
slasherr wrote:Coz no-one else would bother or listen to you x
not see spiderman today. colni an gay boy fihting again. vOr not post today. sage an onoin is gone. borin mark bak. idoit from scotland. the bloke with the broken arrow. the antichris.the vicar. dont now why i bother
Professor Plum, The Billiard Room says...
9:53pm Thu 15 May 08
Furphy, Kirby, Keen, i attended all their last games
Aren't you a bit old to be calling yourself Tiger Bay 'Boy' then? A bit like David 'Kid' Jenson perhaps?
slasherr, londun says...
9:54pm Thu 15 May 08
tiger bay boy wrote:yu put x after comment. how gay is that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slasherr wrote:Coz no-one else would bother or listen to you x
not see spiderman today. colni an gay boy fihting again. vOr not post today. sage an onoin is gone. borin mark bak. idoit from scotland. the bloke with the broken arrow. the antichris.the vicar. dont now why i bother
!!!!! yu wana kiss me tiger, tiger wana kiss ozzy, dos tiger wana kiss colnin as well, nite luverboy ~~~~xxx~~~~
VoR, watford says...
9:55pm Thu 15 May 08
Not long got back, had to make my own way!
Probably many will find this amusing......
got my nose splattered and broken in two places by some Northern Monkey wrench, embarrassed to say I got caught, must be loosing my touch, is age finally catching up with me?
Didn't take my own advise and got split up from my crew, gutted over that as much as I am about the defeat, I really thought it was game on after scoring 1st but in the end was well beaten by the better team.
Aidy always said you can judge a team by the quality of subs bench, well I tell you Hull have quality, totally impressed with their pace and power, reminded me of how we were, but no longer.....where did it go wrong?
What i do find disgusting and unnecessary is the Hull supporters here gloating to us, much the same as the pathetic Mexican wave, that's simply old hat, also the Watford non attenders on here giving out the I told you so's......pack it in, it's too raw for me,start that nonsense up again a few weeks into the new season, It's time just to sit back and take stock and rebuild!
I'll be doing all i can to make Danny stay with us as I totally believe we'll come back stronger next season, so we need our big players to stay.
Don't moan about AM, he hasn't played much and kept quiet about it, the one i have issues about is JD, he's been giving it large and was the main culprit, he should hang his head in shame, as for RL, as i've said from the start of the season, is a great shot stopper but far too small and not imposing enough for me, positionally and with decision making is left wanting too much.
I'm all footballed out, it's been a long season and i'm tired, especially trying to make the nonces on here to get behind the team instead of slating week in week out without attending matches!
We're going to be fitter and stronger next year as i will be, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks to heal but then it's down Bushey Grove gym.
Going to be a boring summer without any footy innit?
See ya Lads....keep well.
Probably many will find this amusing......
got my nose splattered and broken in two places by some Northern Monkey wrench, embarrassed to say I got caught, must be loosing my touch, is age finally catching up with me?
Didn't take my own advise and got split up from my crew, gutted over that as much as I am about the defeat, I really thought it was game on after scoring 1st but in the end was well beaten by the better team.
Aidy always said you can judge a team by the quality of subs bench, well I tell you Hull have quality, totally impressed with their pace and power, reminded me of how we were, but no longer.....where did it go wrong?
What i do find disgusting and unnecessary is the Hull supporters here gloating to us, much the same as the pathetic Mexican wave, that's simply old hat, also the Watford non attenders on here giving out the I told you so's......pack it in, it's too raw for me,start that nonsense up again a few weeks into the new season, It's time just to sit back and take stock and rebuild!
I'll be doing all i can to make Danny stay with us as I totally believe we'll come back stronger next season, so we need our big players to stay.
Don't moan about AM, he hasn't played much and kept quiet about it, the one i have issues about is JD, he's been giving it large and was the main culprit, he should hang his head in shame, as for RL, as i've said from the start of the season, is a great shot stopper but far too small and not imposing enough for me, positionally and with decision making is left wanting too much.
I'm all footballed out, it's been a long season and i'm tired, especially trying to make the nonces on here to get behind the team instead of slating week in week out without attending matches!
We're going to be fitter and stronger next year as i will be, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks to heal but then it's down Bushey Grove gym.
Going to be a boring summer without any footy innit?
See ya Lads....keep well.
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
10:01pm Thu 15 May 08
Slash, all of us on here wanna kiss you and hug you and promise you everything will be ok. As for you Plum, are you really a professor, are you really a plum (bad question that one, obvious answer), and are you really in a snooker hall? id guess no, no and no, so does that answer your question. Not like you to be predantic Prof, perhaps you have just realised that we all didnt start supporting Watford in the glory years unlike the boo boys out there. Whats you history?
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
10:09pm Thu 15 May 08
Cant believe you found some Hull boys to row with Vee, we were only 4 handed but none of them had a go despite several strongly worded invites. Nearest we got was when we jumped out the car bout half mile from the ground at a bus stop, their fans were quicker off the blocks than Frazer Campbell!!
paul jones, the grove says...
10:14pm Thu 15 May 08
SIMMO wrote:SIMMO
Yes BOOTHROYD we are all gutted too ,GUTTED you sold our best player in January got it right though i suppose you will say ,as you said it will cost WFC 60million if King was sold WELL YOU WERE RIGHT !! GUTTED by the football played GUTTED by the tactics GUTTED by the spin Gutted by the way this club is being run Mr Chairman Gutted it took untill last two games of season for you to attempt to play the game on the ground Mr Boothroyd GUTTED you did not listen to the fans earlier GUTTED that NOW we will have to sit an watch as you have to sell the few good players we do have i.e Shittu,Smith as Chairman has no money and will insist on the cost cuttings GUTTED that we will now have plan B east stand if that even happens ! Basically Gutted we threw away a 9 point lead and ended up being thrashed 6-1 in the play-offs that is 9-1 against Hull in last couple of months and FINALLY gutted WE HAVE GONE BACKWARDS selling KING,YOUNG,BOUAZZA,M AHON,SPRING ,failure to hold onto FOSTER,JOHNSON premiership we were havin a laugh ! unfortunatley Mr Chairman we are not laughing ,you must be though as we have forked out for season tickets already ,as we had to or lose them before knowing what we were paying for ,Now after less than one season you want us to buy another NEW kit ,so much for agreement we would only change every two years ,you must think we are mugs ! Enjoy laughing at us TIME FOR CHANGE ALLROUND !
You have said everything i wanted to say and believe!!
As we have both been mugged by the spin to buy season tickets i hope we have better season as it is very hard to explain to my 10 year old son who plays at another professional clubs academy why in his words" we give the ball to the other team all the time"
rosh99, hereford says...
10:18pm Thu 15 May 08
what sort of curry would AB be? I reckon he would be a korma... very weak and a bit gunky.
No idea where that question came from..
No idea where that question came from..
Hornetboy84, ricky says...
10:21pm Thu 15 May 08
For me
1. Im glad I went to Hull as I got closure on a depressing season.
2. 42.5 mins of glorious hope. Well worth the trip.
3. Future possibilities - for next season. It might not be brilliantly successful - but it might be fun again. And lets face it despite the money next year in the Prem (cos we would have done Bristol) would have been too much. lets build a little base first (a la WBA)
4. And I was boosted by Aidys post match comments. Keep faith with the man. everyone. Please.
5. To the girl from Brighton and the boy you met in Blackpool. Thank you for your lifestory. Almost as entertaining as those 42.5
mins!
6. Ultimately - we lost the semi because of Mr Friend BUT in truth we didnt deserve any luck or help because we werent good enough over the season.
7. And at least L*ton went down.
1. Im glad I went to Hull as I got closure on a depressing season.
2. 42.5 mins of glorious hope. Well worth the trip.
3. Future possibilities - for next season. It might not be brilliantly successful - but it might be fun again. And lets face it despite the money next year in the Prem (cos we would have done Bristol) would have been too much. lets build a little base first (a la WBA)
4. And I was boosted by Aidys post match comments. Keep faith with the man. everyone. Please.
5. To the girl from Brighton and the boy you met in Blackpool. Thank you for your lifestory. Almost as entertaining as those 42.5
mins!
6. Ultimately - we lost the semi because of Mr Friend BUT in truth we didnt deserve any luck or help because we werent good enough over the season.
7. And at least L*ton went down.
VoR, watford says...
10:26pm Thu 15 May 08
T.Boy...
You were obviously looking in the wrong place!
It was a pre arranged internet meeting near the old ground called the silver Cod? I think?? hard to remember, all i know is that it was bloody painful during the game....in more ways than one!
Dunno what they feed them on up there.
Keep the banter up with.....I'm intrigued, is it Zippy, Colin or Eugene, or is Eugene his lover?
god bless.
You were obviously looking in the wrong place!
It was a pre arranged internet meeting near the old ground called the silver Cod? I think?? hard to remember, all i know is that it was bloody painful during the game....in more ways than one!
Dunno what they feed them on up there.
Keep the banter up with.....I'm intrigued, is it Zippy, Colin or Eugene, or is Eugene his lover?
god bless.
rosh99, hereford says...
10:29pm Thu 15 May 08
Hornetboy84, agree with everything you said apart from the bit about AB's comments after the game. I;ve heard too much drivel from this man for too long now and don't believe anything he says. Everything has been spin or fantasy on his part since November and I just cannot believe any more of his lies.
For me, it's time to get a proven manager who will get rid of the junk, bring in some seasoned & young players, and get them playing some football.
AB has proven that he hasn't the experience to know what to do at this stage in his career. He needs to go elsewhere and rebuild his own career.
But, like you said, at least the scummers went down.
For me, it's time to get a proven manager who will get rid of the junk, bring in some seasoned & young players, and get them playing some football.
AB has proven that he hasn't the experience to know what to do at this stage in his career. He needs to go elsewhere and rebuild his own career.
But, like you said, at least the scummers went down.
VoR, watford says...
10:35pm Thu 15 May 08
One last thing.......
Did i hear right that L***n have a 15 point deduction for league 2 next season, or did i dream it when i had me lights out?
Closer to the conference, that'll be better than getting to the premiership wouldn't it?
Did i hear right that L***n have a 15 point deduction for league 2 next season, or did i dream it when i had me lights out?
Closer to the conference, that'll be better than getting to the premiership wouldn't it?
supermikey, rickmansworth says...
10:48pm Thu 15 May 08
SIMPSON FOR PM - greatest bull****er of all time. OK Aidy did loose it with the long ball tactics, BUT lets not forget Simpson told him & us that there was plenty of money for players and the money for the rebuild was "ringfenced" - Now we are in debt. Simpson... explain now and bugger off. Any manager would suffer loosing Marlon & Ash, without replacing them. I am surprised Aidy hasn't left himself yet.
Professor Plum, The Billiard Room says...
11:20pm Thu 15 May 08
Youre right, TB Boy that was pedantic and I aploogise! I have a theory that everyone eventually turns into the sort of person they most hate in life and my last post would suggest that Im evolving into the kind of nit-picking twerp that this site tends to attract! Put it down to post-traumatic season disorder! All the best.
tizer006, Aylesbury says...
11:26pm Thu 15 May 08
Oh well, the football year has thankfully ended - okay it wasn't one of our best post christmas but I reckon it's worth giving Aidy another chance and with plenty of changes who knows we could be the ones celebrating next year!
supermikey, rickmansworth says...
11:26pm Thu 15 May 08
May I suggest a vote on Simpson. Stay or Go?
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
11:35pm Thu 15 May 08
Cheers Prof, your a good sort, might sign off for while now Vee, let the boo boys bask for a while, but the Tiger will be back Zip, with a vengeance. Be good slash x. May all you true'orns have a great summer and you booers will have to find something else to moan about til August, maybe the cricket team? They're pants!! Should put Aidy in charge eh Zip? Til the setting of the sun and......
johnny b, bushey says...
12:53am Fri 16 May 08
If simpson gets an any sort of decent offer for the club,i think he would be off quicker than a weasels snout..
If he,s true to his word,aidy will be going knowhere,as he said on radio that he wants continuity at the club and you don,t get that by changing staff at a whim...
Just hope it,s not the same continuity as we saw for the last half of this season...
Will look forward to next season with the same hopes as i have done for the last 35..
Think the championship will be a cracking league to be in,which we can be in the top half of....
If he,s true to his word,aidy will be going knowhere,as he said on radio that he wants continuity at the club and you don,t get that by changing staff at a whim...
Just hope it,s not the same continuity as we saw for the last half of this season...
Will look forward to next season with the same hopes as i have done for the last 35..
Think the championship will be a cracking league to be in,which we can be in the top half of....
Mick the Hatter, Adelaide says...
1:54am Fri 16 May 08
chris wrote:Having watched watford hoof the ball into the stratosphere for the past 30 years I can understand all those empty seats. Entertaining it ain't.
Difficult not to agree with Aidy's comments and in the final analysis I would include the fans. The attendance at the home leg was bad, last years cup semi final with all those empty seats spoke volumes and the Play off final in cardiff with a couple of thousand empty seats a further indication of what we deserve
Mark, Watford says...
6:41am Fri 16 May 08
That is a good point...have people always moaned this much considering we've never played very good football since I've been going in 92 TBH!
Vialli tried to pass the ball..trouble was that was backwards and sideways without getting anywhere.
GT always managed to motivated the players and get the best out of them.
Also was honest and accepeted when we were poor and gave credit when we won.
Vialli tried to pass the ball..trouble was that was backwards and sideways without getting anywhere.
GT always managed to motivated the players and get the best out of them.
Also was honest and accepeted when we were poor and gave credit when we won.
JohnBoy, Watford says...
8:39am Fri 16 May 08
tiger bay boy wrote:aren't you a bit old for that?
Cant believe you found some Hull boys to row with Vee, we were only 4 handed but none of them had a go despite several strongly worded invites. Nearest we got was when we jumped out the car bout half mile from the ground at a bus stop, their fans were quicker off the blocks than Frazer Campbell!!
Ian Hutchinson, says...
9:26am Fri 16 May 08
The team cannot score goals, if Mr Booth--hoof says next season we will go down, its time to call it a day.
Richard, Come On You Golden Boys! says...
10:07am Fri 16 May 08
To Tiger Bay Boy: Great Stuff!
Yes I remember the last game of Keen's inglorious reign, winning 2-0 with 9 men. It was a great performance full of pride & passion that had been missing from much of our play that season.
I started supporting the Hornets in 1963/4 under Bill McGarry - what a great season that was - we lost out on promotion to Coventry & Crystal Palace with a last day defeat at Luton.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. We are not one of the super rich mega clubs and our fortunes will continue to rise & fall.
As Watford supporters, we have to learn to accept the bad times in order to fully appreciate the good!
So keep the faith & Come on You Golden Boys!
Yes I remember the last game of Keen's inglorious reign, winning 2-0 with 9 men. It was a great performance full of pride & passion that had been missing from much of our play that season.
I started supporting the Hornets in 1963/4 under Bill McGarry - what a great season that was - we lost out on promotion to Coventry & Crystal Palace with a last day defeat at Luton.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. We are not one of the super rich mega clubs and our fortunes will continue to rise & fall.
As Watford supporters, we have to learn to accept the bad times in order to fully appreciate the good!
So keep the faith & Come on You Golden Boys!
tiger bay boy, mill end says...
6:02pm Fri 16 May 08
JohnBoy wrote:So your quite happy that our coaches get bricked, our pensioners get assaulted at Ipswich, Blackpool reck the One Bell etc... I will never lie down and take it, they will have to straight-jacket me into my wheelchair when that day comes and even then i will nut anyone that wants a pop. I have never been the aggressor but will not turn the other cheek if i or any other Hornets are under threat. The bus stop thing was actually a joke, we stopped for directions and they really did leg it!!
tiger bay boy wrote: Cant believe you found some Hull boys to row with Vee, we were only 4 handed but none of them had a go despite several strongly worded invites. Nearest we got was when we jumped out the car bout half mile from the ground at a bus stop, their fans were quicker off the blocks than Frazer Campbell!!aren't you a bit old for that?
VoR, watford says...
6:19pm Fri 16 May 08
Sorry but I have no defence m'lord but......
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Winston, watford says...
7:20am Thu 15 May 08