Thank you for your well-
balanced summary in last week's Times of the policies I am campaigning on as the Green Party contender in the Hale Ward by-election (Hale candidates revealed', Times Series, April 10).
I was surprised and sorry to read the British National Party is putting up a candidate in the by-election, even though it has not bothered to put
anyone forward for the Barnet and Camden constituency in the more-important London Assembly elections, which will also take place on May 1.
Our philosophy is diametrically opposed to that of the BNP. The Greens are a larger and more effective party in the country as a whole, and especially in the London region, where our assembly members Jenny Jones and Darren Johnson have played a big role in the past four years in
making Mayor of London Ken Livingstone adopt better environmental and social polices.
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Barnet Green Party chairman Noel Lynch, who is third on the party's London-wide list for the proportional section of the May 1 elections, will join Jenny and Darren on the Assembly if the Greens obtain just 1.5 per cent more of the vote.
Unlike the BNP, the Greens are not focused on one topic. In Barnet borough, the Greens have a considerable number of dedicated members who have battled over many years to champion a wide range of matters raised by local people.
The borough of Barnet is ethnically very varied, yet is mostly harmonious, and the only consequence if the BNP began to be active here would be an increase in divisiveness.
Andrew Newby,
Green Party candidate for Hale Ward
Birley Road, Whetstone
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Posted by: James on 11:06am Thu 24 Apr 08
Perhaps Newby could explain how his party will provide homes for the 100+ million people expected to be living in GB in few decades, without wrecking our natural heritage? Or how he can justify the effect of bringing third world people to the first world, where they will then produce far more greenhouse gases per capita?
Perhaps Newby could explain how his party will provide homes for the 100+ million people expected to be living in GB in few decades, without wrecking our natural heritage? Or how he can justify the effect of bringing third world people to the first world, where they will then produce far more greenhouse gases per capita?
Posted by: Graham, London on 11:23am Thu 24 Apr 08
What a surprise! A member of one political party denouncing a rival political party. And this is news?
I'm praying for a massive BNP vote to restore some sanity to this country.
What a surprise! A member of one political party denouncing a rival political party. And this is news?
I'm praying for a massive BNP vote to restore some sanity to this country.
The writer states the BNP have 'not bothered' to put up a candidate in the Barnet and Camden constituency in the London Assembly elections, but there is still an opportunity for people to vote for the BNP and it is highly probable that more than five per cent of London will. The writer is not in a position to know why the BNP have not put up a candidate and it could be for a variety of reasons, the fact that the Greens believe if no candidate is put up it means that that Party cannot be bothered is not not necessarily applicable to other parties. I note they have failed to put up candidates in many by-elections presumably because they can't be bothered! The BNP have many interests, not just one topic, as was made clear to all during their television and radio Party political broadcasts during the last week. In fact 'the Greens' are one of the most narrowly focused parties, hence their name, many of their other concerns seem to vary by locality or political timing etc. As for Barnet being 'mostly harmonious' many other areas are not and are reeling from the full brunt of crime and mass immigration (the two are not inseparable), no doubt Barnet will be facing this too shortly if no action is taken. I am not a member of the BNP, but feel it is right to point out certain truths, then everyone can vote how they wish with full knowledge of the range of alternatives and the likely consequences of their actions. It seems unfair to me that the BNP is not given much opportunity by the Media to reply to the attacks made on it by other political parties and other groups. Here is one comment that hopefully clarifies.
The writer states the BNP have 'not bothered' to put up a candidate in the Barnet and Camden constituency in the London Assembly elections, but there is still an opportunity for people to vote for the BNP and it is highly probable that more than five per cent of London will. The writer is not in a position to know why the BNP have not put up a candidate and it could be for a variety of reasons, the fact that the Greens believe if no candidate is put up it means that that Party cannot be bothered is not not necessarily applicable to other parties. I note they have failed to put up candidates in many by-elections presumably because they can't be bothered! The BNP have many interests, not just one topic, as was made clear to all during their television and radio Party political broadcasts during the last week. In fact 'the Greens' are one of the most narrowly focused parties, hence their name, many of their other concerns seem to vary by locality or political timing etc. As for Barnet being 'mostly harmonious' many other areas are not and are reeling from the full brunt of crime and mass immigration (the two are not inseparable), no doubt Barnet will be facing this too shortly if no action is taken. I am not a member of the BNP, but feel it is right to point out certain truths, then everyone can vote how they wish with full knowledge of the range of alternatives and the likely consequences of their actions. It seems unfair to me that the BNP is not given much opportunity by the Media to reply to the attacks made on it by other political parties and other groups. Here is one comment that hopefully clarifies.
Joe, bet thats not your real name, and bet you dont live in cable street,and finally, bet you, or any of your other "stop the bnp"mates, can do NOTHING to swell the tide of BNP voters and councillors.
Joe, bet thats not your real name, and bet you dont live in cable street,and finally, bet you, or any of your other "stop the bnp"mates, can do NOTHING to swell the tide of BNP voters and councillors.
Posted by: Daniel Hope, Barnet on 1:43pm Thu 24 Apr 08
I would be horrified and it would be a sign of a massive failure of the major parties for the BNP to do well in this election.
So get out there, campaign on issues that affect the voters in Hale, give them a voice rather than pump out banalities. That's the way to ensure that voters will stay in the mainstream not writing stupid letters telling people not to vote BNP. It's pointless and counterproductive and just gives them unwarranted publicity.
I would be horrified and it would be a sign of a massive failure of the major parties for the BNP to do well in this election.
So get out there, campaign on issues that affect the voters in Hale, give them a voice rather than pump out banalities. That's the way to ensure that voters will stay in the mainstream not writing stupid letters telling people not to vote BNP. It's pointless and counterproductive and just gives them unwarranted publicity.
No Joe, this was my only comment, in my own style, and anyway it is important what is said rather than who said it, and your comment adds nothing to the debate. Actually, I was a member of the Labour Party until recently, holding a number of constituency positions,and personally know several of the Labour Assembly candidates, but never a member of the BNP, nor have I ever voted for them.Immigration, crime and the corruption of the major political Parties is leading to people to make comments like the ones I have made. Does anyone not think my comments are valid?
No Joe, this was my only comment, in my own style, and anyway it is important what is said rather than who said it, and your comment adds nothing to the debate. Actually, I was a member of the Labour Party until recently, holding a number of constituency positions,and personally know several of the Labour Assembly candidates, but never a member of the BNP, nor have I ever voted for them.Immigration, crime and the corruption of the major political Parties is leading to people to make comments like the ones I have made. Does anyone not think my comments are valid?
Posted by: Michael, London on 2:18pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Daniel Dope - prepare to be horrified, shocked, devastated etc. Why not emigrate if you really feel you can't cope - flights to Africa are plentiful and there's lots of space since the inhabitants are all trying (with great success) to come here).
Daniel Dope - prepare to be horrified, shocked, devastated etc. Why not emigrate if you really feel you can't cope - flights to Africa are plentiful and there's lots of space since the inhabitants are all trying (with great success) to come here).
Posted by: Brian, Great Yarmouth on 3:01pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Or quell! Annway we are used to political comments saying one thing, but really meaning another - such as 'make democracy safer by banning the BNP' or 'the BNP bring discontent where there is harmony'. Time for change indeed to a more honest politics.
Or quell! Annway we are used to political comments saying one thing, but really meaning another - such as 'make democracy safer by banning the BNP' or 'the BNP bring discontent where there is harmony'. Time for change indeed to a more honest politics.
[bold]Joe[/bold] , your guess is completely wrong. As is your lie about living on Cable Street. Your prediction that the BNP won't get more than 4 votes will also be proven wrong. You seem to be wrong on most things.
And you had no sensible response to my original questions. But then, your answer would probably have been wrong anyway.
Joe , your guess is completely wrong. As is your lie about living on Cable Street. Your prediction that the BNP won't get more than 4 votes will also be proven wrong. You seem to be wrong on most things.
And you had no sensible response to my original questions. But then, your answer would probably have been wrong anyway.
Posted by: Dolores, London on 5:00pm Thu 24 Apr 08
It is true that the BNP has more than one policy. Those that spring to mind are:
The restoration of birching.
Compulsory national service at age 18. Those who refuse to do military service would not be allowed to vote.
All adults to keep a military assault rifle and ammunition in their homes. If you don't believe me look at the BNP's last general election manifesto.
Huge cuts in council services for older people as proposed in Barking & Dagenham by the BNP candidate for mayor of London.
Compulsory redundancies of council staff without compensation.
And to keep London's buses moving, the abolition of bus lanes.
It is true that the BNP has more than one policy. Those that spring to mind are:
The restoration of birching.
Compulsory national service at age 18. Those who refuse to do military service would not be allowed to vote.
All adults to keep a military assault rifle and ammunition in their homes. If you don't believe me look at the BNP's last general election manifesto.
Huge cuts in council services for older people as proposed in Barking & Dagenham by the BNP candidate for mayor of London.
Compulsory redundancies of council staff without compensation.
And to keep London's buses moving, the abolition of bus lanes.
Posted by: Joe, Cable Street on 5:07pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Dear wind - this is from the Wikipedia entry for Tony Lecomber:
[quote]Lecomber was convicted for criminal damage in 1982, offences under the Explosives Act in 1985, and was sentenced to three years' imprisonment in 1991 for an attack on a Jewish teacher.
In 1985, he was injured by a nailbomb that he was carrying to the offices of the Workers Revolutionary Party. Police found 10 grenades, seven petrol bombs and two detonators at his home.
In 1991, when he was Propaganda Director of the BNP, Lecomber saw a Jewish teacher removing a BNP sticker at a London Underground station and attacked him. Lecomber was released from his three-year sentence in time to play a key part in the BNP's by-election win in Millwall ward of Tower Hamlets in September 1993.
Later in the 1990s, Lecomber became closer to Nick Griffin and supported Griffin when he successfully challenged John Tyndall's leadership of the BNP in 1999. Tyndall identified Lecomber as the man primarily responsible for undermining him. Under Griffin, Lecomber became, in effect, Deputy Leader of the BNP, and acted as national agent during election campaigns.In 2006 Lecomber was sacked from his position as Group Development Officer after being found out trying to hire a hitman to murder a leading politician.[/quote]
Dear wind - this is from the Wikipedia entry for Tony Lecomber:
Lecomber was convicted for criminal damage in 1982, offences under the Explosives Act in 1985, and was sentenced to three years' imprisonment in 1991 for an attack on a Jewish teacher.
In 1985, he was injured by a nailbomb that he was carrying to the offices of the Workers Revolutionary Party. Police found 10 grenades, seven petrol bombs and two detonators at his home.
In 1991, when he was Propaganda Director of the BNP, Lecomber saw a Jewish teacher removing a BNP sticker at a London Underground station and attacked him. Lecomber was released from his three-year sentence in time to play a key part in the BNP's by-election win in Millwall ward of Tower Hamlets in September 1993.
Later in the 1990s, Lecomber became closer to Nick Griffin and supported Griffin when he successfully challenged John Tyndall's leadership of the BNP in 1999. Tyndall identified Lecomber as the man primarily responsible for undermining him. Under Griffin, Lecomber became, in effect, Deputy Leader of the BNP, and acted as national agent during election campaigns.In 2006 Lecomber was sacked from his position as Group Development Officer after being found out trying to hire a hitman to murder a leading politician.
Posted by: the wind of change, hyde on 5:13pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Lecomber is a no good crank but every barrel of apples has one or two bad ones.
Blog onto Liars,buggers and thieves and see how many are in the con trick parties ie the Lib/Lab/Con axis of evil.
Again why are you so scared?
Lecomber is a no good crank but every barrel of apples has one or two bad ones.
Blog onto Liars,buggers and thieves and see how many are in the con trick parties ie the Lib/Lab/Con axis of evil.
Again why are you so scared?
The Green Party are not to be trusted. An old joke is -
What do the Green Party and a Watermelon have in common?
A. Both are green on the outside and red on the inside.
In other words the greens have been hijacked by extreme marxists, thats why they have no problem with mass migration doing untold damage to the environmental sustainability of our island. Dont believe me google Optimum Population Trust. The scientific optimum population for the UK is only 30 million. The projected 75 million will devastate our countryside and our water systems will face extreme stress.
The Green Party are not to be trusted. An old joke is -
What do the Green Party and a Watermelon have in common?
A. Both are green on the outside and red on the inside.
In other words the greens have been hijacked by extreme marxists, thats why they have no problem with mass migration doing untold damage to the environmental sustainability of our island. Dont believe me google Optimum Population Trust. The scientific optimum population for the UK is only 30 million. The projected 75 million will devastate our countryside and our water systems will face extreme stress.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 6:46pm Thu 24 Apr 08
What is quite interesting is that the BNP supporting comments are left by people listing their locations as London, England, Dundee & Gt Yarmouth to name a few. Now I'm a Londoner but when I leave a comment here I say Mill Hill. Do any of these BNP lot actually know where "HALE" is? Why are people in Dundee and Gt Yarmouth interested in a Hale By-election? I'd take this lot a little bit more credibly if they actually were locals.
I suggest that all future posts here state 1 fact that will identify them as a local with an interest and not an interloper.
Here's mine. The Green Man Pub was the first public house to ban me !!!
What is quite interesting is that the BNP supporting comments are left by people listing their locations as London, England, Dundee & Gt Yarmouth to name a few. Now I'm a Londoner but when I leave a comment here I say Mill Hill. Do any of these BNP lot actually know where "HALE" is? Why are people in Dundee and Gt Yarmouth interested in a Hale By-election? I'd take this lot a little bit more credibly if they actually were locals.
I suggest that all future posts here state 1 fact that will identify them as a local with an interest and not an interloper.
Here's mine. The Green Man Pub was the first public house to ban me !!!
Posted by: the wind of change, hyde on 6:57pm Thu 24 Apr 08
Here's another outsider 'Rog', this one is from Hyde if you don't know where that is think of Harold Shipman, Ricky Hatton and the Moors Murderers-need any more help?.
The point is that you don't have to live in the area mentioned to be able to comment on it-it is more important than that, this is for the future of our country and its people.
I love the smell of fear in the evening-it smells like VICTORY.
Vote for the only party that cares on May 1st (I will give you a clue it is not the Greens or the Lib/Lab/Con axis of evil)
Go on Rog you can do it if you really want!
Here's another outsider 'Rog', this one is from Hyde if you don't know where that is think of Harold Shipman, Ricky Hatton and the Moors Murderers-need any more help?.
The point is that you don't have to live in the area mentioned to be able to comment on it-it is more important than that, this is for the future of our country and its people.
I love the smell of fear in the evening-it smells like VICTORY.
Vote for the only party that cares on May 1st (I will give you a clue it is not the Greens or the Lib/Lab/Con axis of evil)
Go on Rog you can do it if you really want!
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 7:32pm Thu 24 Apr 08
W-O-C,
Well for a second I thought you were from the Hyde in Colindale.
If, as you say, you love the smell of fear in the evening, you should go down to Brixton and try canvassing on a Saturday night.
I suspect what you mean is you like the smell of other people being frightened.
Is that a personal view or that of your party?
The BNP will consider a 5% share of the vote a victory. In my book a victory is to come first, not last.
Whatever I think of Daniel Hope, I would never accuse him, or anyone who makes an effort to stand for politics of not caring. Sure the BNP care, but so do all of the other parties, that is why thousands of people work for them for free, give money to them, stick leaflets through doors etc.
Are you so arrogant that you can't see that?
I will start getting afriad of a BNP win when people like your good self actually start making a proper case as to why people should vote BNP.
Here's a question for you. Tell me how the NHS would function if you got your heartfelt wish and sent all the Black people who keep it running home? Please bear in mind the length of time it takes to train doctors and nurses and the level of education you need to get on a course. Also bear in mind how much it will cost to replace all the lowly paid migrants who clean up the S**T in hospitals.
I've asked a few of your mates this question & have yet to get a sensible answer.
W-O-C,
Well for a second I thought you were from the Hyde in Colindale.
If, as you say, you love the smell of fear in the evening, you should go down to Brixton and try canvassing on a Saturday night.
I suspect what you mean is you like the smell of other people being frightened.
Is that a personal view or that of your party?
The BNP will consider a 5% share of the vote a victory. In my book a victory is to come first, not last.
Whatever I think of Daniel Hope, I would never accuse him, or anyone who makes an effort to stand for politics of not caring. Sure the BNP care, but so do all of the other parties, that is why thousands of people work for them for free, give money to them, stick leaflets through doors etc.
Are you so arrogant that you can't see that?
I will start getting afriad of a BNP win when people like your good self actually start making a proper case as to why people should vote BNP.
Here's a question for you. Tell me how the NHS would function if you got your heartfelt wish and sent all the Black people who keep it running home? Please bear in mind the length of time it takes to train doctors and nurses and the level of education you need to get on a course. Also bear in mind how much it will cost to replace all the lowly paid migrants who clean up the S**T in hospitals.
I've asked a few of your mates this question & have yet to get a sensible answer.
Posted by: the wind of change, hyde on 10:23pm Thu 24 Apr 08
You appear to answer your own questions Roger,you're right to agree that it's wrong when you can't walk through areas of this country because you just happen to be born with a white skin.
You and your kind are the ones that think the B.N.P have won a victory because they might get 5% of the vote in London and so get a seat on the London assembly.
And lastly we do not wish to see all Black people sent out of this country we just wish to control our borders and manage who enters this country.
You appear to answer your own questions Roger,you're right to agree that it's wrong when you can't walk through areas of this country because you just happen to be born with a white skin.
You and your kind are the ones that think the B.N.P have won a victory because they might get 5% of the vote in London and so get a seat on the London assembly.
And lastly we do not wish to see all Black people sent out of this country we just wish to control our borders and manage who enters this country.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 1:17am Fri 25 Apr 08
W-O-C, I don't feel threatened walking down Brixton High St & I'm white, and yes I've done it a few times in the last year at Midnight on a Saturday. I was suggesting that the locals may take exception to outsiders (ie you) canvassing for the BNP in a predominantly black area, promoting policies which might not make them very happy. It's part of a long British tradition of chasing undesirable interlopers off your patch.
So what are "my kind"? I have no idea what kind of person you are other than what you've said above and I really don't care, if truth be told, so how can you presume to know what kind of person I am. Are you psychic?
If the BNP come last and get 5% I won't think thats a victory.
What makes you think I would think that. Why should I? It would be a poor showing. The only thing that constitutes a good showing is a victory.
Unlike some people I don't mind you lot standing as it is good to see the true level of your support, which I suspect will be very low. I find that quite reassuring.
As to your current set of policies.
I know you seek to ban Muslims living in the UK from building mosques. How is this compatable with the right to freedom of assembly and worship, which are fundamental British rights? This turns on the head the British tradition of tolerance.
If all you wanted was control of the borders as you say, you'd be a member of UKIP.
As I don't keep up with the BNP policies, tell me who currently do you want to stay here and who exactly do you want to send home or keep out?
Do you want to allow Africans to join long established family members living here or sick relatives.
Do you want to keep all Asain's out or just ones who happen to be Muslims?
Would you let in skilled African & Asian nurses to plug skills gaps in the NHS?
Would you allow any more Poles in?
Would you honour commitments to Commonwealth citizens or just limit it to ones of a specific racial complexion?
Here's your chance to have a debate and let the voters of Hale know.
You must forgive my ignorance, but the last couple of BNP canvassers who I asked wouldn't answer my questions when they realised I was unsympathetic. I suspect that it isn't only the other parties who tell porkies to make themselves look good at election time.
You know the thing that always suprises me about the BNP is that you are so willing to throw out so many of the great traditions of our fantastic country.
W-O-C, I don't feel threatened walking down Brixton High St & I'm white, and yes I've done it a few times in the last year at Midnight on a Saturday. I was suggesting that the locals may take exception to outsiders (ie you) canvassing for the BNP in a predominantly black area, promoting policies which might not make them very happy. It's part of a long British tradition of chasing undesirable interlopers off your patch.
So what are "my kind"? I have no idea what kind of person you are other than what you've said above and I really don't care, if truth be told, so how can you presume to know what kind of person I am. Are you psychic?
If the BNP come last and get 5% I won't think thats a victory.
What makes you think I would think that. Why should I? It would be a poor showing. The only thing that constitutes a good showing is a victory.
Unlike some people I don't mind you lot standing as it is good to see the true level of your support, which I suspect will be very low. I find that quite reassuring.
As to your current set of policies.
I know you seek to ban Muslims living in the UK from building mosques. How is this compatable with the right to freedom of assembly and worship, which are fundamental British rights? This turns on the head the British tradition of tolerance.
If all you wanted was control of the borders as you say, you'd be a member of UKIP.
As I don't keep up with the BNP policies, tell me who currently do you want to stay here and who exactly do you want to send home or keep out?
Do you want to allow Africans to join long established family members living here or sick relatives.
Do you want to keep all Asain's out or just ones who happen to be Muslims?
Would you let in skilled African & Asian nurses to plug skills gaps in the NHS?
Would you allow any more Poles in?
Would you honour commitments to Commonwealth citizens or just limit it to ones of a specific racial complexion?
Here's your chance to have a debate and let the voters of Hale know.
You must forgive my ignorance, but the last couple of BNP canvassers who I asked wouldn't answer my questions when they realised I was unsympathetic. I suspect that it isn't only the other parties who tell porkies to make themselves look good at election time.
You know the thing that always suprises me about the BNP is that you are so willing to throw out so many of the great traditions of our fantastic country.
Posted by: the wind of change, hyde on 11:26am Fri 25 Apr 08
You sound quite a brave person Roger, I have never been to Brixton but I only live in a small mill town on the edge of Manchester and there are areas (muslim) where it is not advisable for young White males to walk at any time day or night.
Do I want to keep all Asians out of this country or is it just Muslims-I would like to keep out anyone who wishes bad of me and would like to blow me up,does that answer your question or do you want me to spell it out for you.
No I would not allow dependents of Africans settled here to come,elderly or ill.I would not allow the vast majority of Asylum seekers as we know that most of them are bogus and are only here for one thing. I would not give them any benefits at all until they have paid into and proved their worth to this Island.
And lastly (because I have to go back to work) the B.N.P will throw out many of the great traditions of this country-great traditions! are you being sarcastic or just having a laugh.
Oh Yeh while I am on a roll let all ex Ghurka soldiers (and their dependents) have permanent residence in this country (only God knows why they want to come) and give them the full British army pension.
You sound quite a brave person Roger, I have never been to Brixton but I only live in a small mill town on the edge of Manchester and there are areas (muslim) where it is not advisable for young White males to walk at any time day or night.
Do I want to keep all Asians out of this country or is it just Muslims-I would like to keep out anyone who wishes bad of me and would like to blow me up,does that answer your question or do you want me to spell it out for you.
No I would not allow dependents of Africans settled here to come,elderly or ill.I would not allow the vast majority of Asylum seekers as we know that most of them are bogus and are only here for one thing. I would not give them any benefits at all until they have paid into and proved their worth to this Island.
And lastly (because I have to go back to work) the B.N.P will throw out many of the great traditions of this country-great traditions! are you being sarcastic or just having a laugh.
Oh Yeh while I am on a roll let all ex Ghurka soldiers (and their dependents) have permanent residence in this country (only God knows why they want to come) and give them the full British army pension.
Posted by: the wind of change, hyde on 2:18pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Like the one (mohammed Sadique Khan) who was on the Telivision last night telling his daughter about Matyrdom (I don't think they were nursary rhymes) before he and his mates went out on the streets of London and blew 52 people to pieces.
Get the drift Dickhead of Cable street.
Like the one (mohammed Sadique Khan) who was on the Telivision last night telling his daughter about Matyrdom (I don't think they were nursary rhymes) before he and his mates went out on the streets of London and blew 52 people to pieces.
Get the drift Dickhead of Cable street.
Posted by: Joe, Cable Street on 2:47pm Fri 25 Apr 08
Windy - I agree with you entirely that terriorist bombers are deeply unpleasant people.
What I don't yet understand is how the one you mentioned differs from the BNP's own Tony Lecomber and his nail bombs, petrol bombs, hand grenades and detonators.
Windy - I agree with you entirely that terriorist bombers are deeply unpleasant people.
What I don't yet understand is how the one you mentioned differs from the BNP's own Tony Lecomber and his nail bombs, petrol bombs, hand grenades and detonators.
The antics BNP mean that there canbe no serious debate about imigration in this country without accusations of rasicsm being banded about. This is in the interests of the Left wing who see unimpeeded imegration as a good thing. Therefore I submit that the BNP are created by and secretly supported by the left wing; hance the BNP are contributing to unhindered imigration.
By being so anti-imigration and racist, the BNP are ensuring maximum imigration into this country.
Ironic and true.
The antics BNP mean that there canbe no serious debate about imigration in this country without accusations of rasicsm being banded about. This is in the interests of the Left wing who see unimpeeded imegration as a good thing. Therefore I submit that the BNP are created by and secretly supported by the left wing; hance the BNP are contributing to unhindered imigration.
By being so anti-imigration and racist, the BNP are ensuring maximum imigration into this country.
Labour want immigrants as they are most likely to vote for them as Labour is the most enthusiastic to give them benefits, housing and say how fantastic they are, ignore or hide their criminality,and keep asking for forgiveness for the 'racism of White people' who seem inexplicably reluctant to keep giving them everything they have earned - the immigrants quietly despize the Labour party and friends for their kowtowing though, but are happy to benefit. The Tories are frightened as the numbers of immigrants are so big now that they can determine the outcome of an election, hence Boris Johnson's grovelling to Moslems etc. Both Parties fail to realise that the indigenous population can't be taken for granted and more and more will vote BNP. In a council by-election last night (ignored by the press)the BNP got 18 per cent of the vote.The BNP will likely become a significant political force in this country in the next few years.Every commentator here knows I am telling the truth. WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ARE SIMPLY FACTS!
Labour want immigrants as they are most likely to vote for them as Labour is the most enthusiastic to give them benefits, housing and say how fantastic they are, ignore or hide their criminality,and keep asking for forgiveness for the 'racism of White people' who seem inexplicably reluctant to keep giving them everything they have earned - the immigrants quietly despize the Labour party and friends for their kowtowing though, but are happy to benefit. The Tories are frightened as the numbers of immigrants are so big now that they can determine the outcome of an election, hence Boris Johnson's grovelling to Moslems etc. Both Parties fail to realise that the indigenous population can't be taken for granted and more and more will vote BNP. In a council by-election last night (ignored by the press)the BNP got 18 per cent of the vote.The BNP will likely become a significant political force in this country in the next few years.Every commentator here knows I am telling the truth. WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN ARE SIMPLY FACTS!
Posted by: Joe, Cable Street on 4:30pm Fri 25 Apr 08
The far-right were defeated in a much less ethnically diverse London way back in 1936.
They have no chance whatsoever now.
How do you define indigenous anyway david?
Even your ancestors were immigrants at some point were they not?
The far-right were defeated in a much less ethnically diverse London way back in 1936.
They have no chance whatsoever now.
How do you define indigenous anyway david?
Even your ancestors were immigrants at some point were they not?
Posted by: Joe, Cable Street on 4:30pm Fri 25 Apr 08
The far-right were defeated in a much less ethnically diverse London way back in 1936.
They have no chance whatsoever now.
How do you define indigenous anyway david?
Even your ancestors were immigrants at some point were they not?
The far-right were defeated in a much less ethnically diverse London way back in 1936.
They have no chance whatsoever now.
How do you define indigenous anyway david?
Even your ancestors were immigrants at some point were they not?
Posted by: Had to laugh, London on 5:34pm Fri 25 Apr 08
I had to laugh when I read the BNP mayoral statement: Student Samantha 'I'm Irish and I'll be voting BNP because....'.
As every born and bred Englishman knows, the first people the BNP send back will be the Irish.
I had to laugh when I read the BNP mayoral statement: Student Samantha 'I'm Irish and I'll be voting BNP because....'.
As every born and bred Englishman knows, the first people the BNP send back will be the Irish.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 6:07pm Fri 25 Apr 08
A few points above need correcting
[quote]And furthermore I hate all terrorist bombers of whatever makeup it just so happens that most of them (just short of 100%) come from the Muslim colonisers of this country.[/quote]
Well not true. The Admiral Duncan bombing wasn't a Muslim and there have not been 99 other outrages since. I read that there are approx 15 groups known to the Police in the UK actively planning what might be deemed Terrorist activities and the majority are not Muslims. It is also worth mentioning that the vast majority of Muslims do not support terrorist activity. I won't make up figures I don't have to hand, but I do recall that the 7/7 bombers had virtually no support in their community.
[quote]My ancestors were living in these islands at least from the 6th century, but likely hundreds of years before.[/quote]
Well genetically you can take a DNA test which will tell you this. Unless you come from a remote part of Wales or the Orkneys, the majority of your DNA is likeley to originate elsewhere. Without this, I'd say that if you are ginger and sunburn easily you may be correct as these are Celtic features. If you don't have these features you are probably wrong.
As for Windies quote that I must be brave to walk around Brixton, not really I just don't look for trouble. Being a musician I've been all over the country and to all sorts of areas. The only two times I've ever been seriously scared by the locals was a) Visiting Millwall as an away fan and b) Going into a pub in Portsmouth. In both cases the locals were indigenous. The point is there are good and bad in all communities. Oh and yes I do agree with you regarding the Gurka's. I would extend that to anyone who served in the Armed Forces without hesitation.
A few points above need correcting
And furthermore I hate all terrorist bombers of whatever makeup it just so happens that most of them (just short of 100%) come from the Muslim colonisers of this country.
Well not true. The Admiral Duncan bombing wasn't a Muslim and there have not been 99 other outrages since. I read that there are approx 15 groups known to the Police in the UK actively planning what might be deemed Terrorist activities and the majority are not Muslims. It is also worth mentioning that the vast majority of Muslims do not support terrorist activity. I won't make up figures I don't have to hand, but I do recall that the 7/7 bombers had virtually no support in their community.
My ancestors were living in these islands at least from the 6th century, but likely hundreds of years before.
Well genetically you can take a DNA test which will tell you this. Unless you come from a remote part of Wales or the Orkneys, the majority of your DNA is likeley to originate elsewhere. Without this, I'd say that if you are ginger and sunburn easily you may be correct as these are Celtic features. If you don't have these features you are probably wrong.
As for Windies quote that I must be brave to walk around Brixton, not really I just don't look for trouble. Being a musician I've been all over the country and to all sorts of areas. The only two times I've ever been seriously scared by the locals was a) Visiting Millwall as an away fan and b) Going into a pub in Portsmouth. In both cases the locals were indigenous. The point is there are good and bad in all communities. Oh and yes I do agree with you regarding the Gurka's. I would extend that to anyone who served in the Armed Forces without hesitation.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 11:35am Sat 26 Apr 08
David, there has been a report released recently showing that immegrants are no more likely to commit crime than anyone else.
I am intrigued by your comments about the Irish not being predisposed to barbarism, rape & pillage.
I am not aware of anything reported anywhere which shows any particular racial group in this country are on a rampage of rape. I was under the impression that the reported instances of this were going down.
As far as I am aware the highest instance of rape & rampage in the last 100 years in europe was in Berlin in 1945. This was committed by Europeans, sadly enough, not Africans, Indians or the Chinese.
Just one other question for you BNP types. The last asylum seeker I spoke to was an Iraqi from Basra. He gave me a lift home in a cab. He came here because he worked with the British after the invasion. As a result of this his family was targeted by local militias and he fled with his family in fear of his life. He is a devout Muslim, who loves Iraq, never wanted to leave, but is realistic enough to know he probably will never go back.
Would you kick him out? Would you allow him to pray at a Mosque? Do we owe him anything for helping us? He is an intelligent man, which is why he worked with the British. He loves his family and I am sure he is not a pillaging rapist.
David, there has been a report released recently showing that immegrants are no more likely to commit crime than anyone else.
I am intrigued by your comments about the Irish not being predisposed to barbarism, rape & pillage.
I am not aware of anything reported anywhere which shows any particular racial group in this country are on a rampage of rape. I was under the impression that the reported instances of this were going down.
As far as I am aware the highest instance of rape & rampage in the last 100 years in europe was in Berlin in 1945. This was committed by Europeans, sadly enough, not Africans, Indians or the Chinese.
Just one other question for you BNP types. The last asylum seeker I spoke to was an Iraqi from Basra. He gave me a lift home in a cab. He came here because he worked with the British after the invasion. As a result of this his family was targeted by local militias and he fled with his family in fear of his life. He is a devout Muslim, who loves Iraq, never wanted to leave, but is realistic enough to know he probably will never go back.
Would you kick him out? Would you allow him to pray at a Mosque? Do we owe him anything for helping us? He is an intelligent man, which is why he worked with the British. He loves his family and I am sure he is not a pillaging rapist.
Posted by: the wind of change, Manchester on 1:20pm Sun 27 Apr 08
You must read different newspapers to the rest of us regarding the immigrant crime wave but that is it with you people isn't it? you only see what you want to.
As far as I am aware the only 'white' person who has carried out a terrorist bombing in the last 10 years was Copeland who bombed the Admiral Duncan pub in Soho.
It's only due to diligence of our security services and some remarkable good luck that thousands more have not been killed by the 'muslim colonisers' of our country.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are now Muslim.
And that my smug little friend in a fact.
You must read different newspapers to the rest of us regarding the immigrant crime wave but that is it with you people isn't it? you only see what you want to.
As far as I am aware the only 'white' person who has carried out a terrorist bombing in the last 10 years was Copeland who bombed the Admiral Duncan pub in Soho.
It's only due to diligence of our security services and some remarkable good luck that thousands more have not been killed by the 'muslim colonisers' of our country.
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are now Muslim.
And that my smug little friend in a fact.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 3:59pm Sun 27 Apr 08
W-O-C,
Well firstly to your last comment. The dictionary definition of smug - smug·ger, smug·gest. 1. contentedly confident of one's ability, superiority, or correctness; complacent.
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Sound's rather like you actuallly. Where are the references to these facts. You clearly have a computer so it can't be that hard. As to the other accusations, I'm 6'1 so I'm not exactly little and I don't consider people who I have blog conversations with friends. You must be a bit lonely.
Ok, let me just list a few of the groups which have carried out terrorism. The ALF, extreme Welsh Nationalists, Cornish Nationalist. On top of these you have other groupings operating in London of a non muslim nature such as your mate detailed above by the geezer from cable Street. I would have thought trying to assasinate a politician can be classed as terrorism, wouldn't you. Class war & other Anarchist groups are also listed as "highly likely" to commit terrorist atrocities. There are also other terrorist groups operating in London, such as ETA who are likely to conduct activities outside of the UK.
Haven't you heard of the activities of the ALF against animal researchers. I suppose that you could make the point if they get their wish and stop medical development, they will actually kill more people than any Muslim terrorist is likely to.
Now one other question. You call all other parties dishonest, yet you duck all of the difficult questions. What about my Cab driver from Basra. What would you do with him. It is a simple enough question to answer, unless you are a bit scared of telling the truth.
W-O-C,
Well firstly to your last comment. The dictionary definition of smug - smug·ger, smug·gest. 1. contentedly confident of one's ability, superiority, or correctness; complacent.
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Sound's rather like you actuallly. Where are the references to these facts. You clearly have a computer so it can't be that hard. As to the other accusations, I'm 6'1 so I'm not exactly little and I don't consider people who I have blog conversations with friends. You must be a bit lonely.
Ok, let me just list a few of the groups which have carried out terrorism. The ALF, extreme Welsh Nationalists, Cornish Nationalist. On top of these you have other groupings operating in London of a non muslim nature such as your mate detailed above by the geezer from cable Street. I would have thought trying to assasinate a politician can be classed as terrorism, wouldn't you. Class war & other Anarchist groups are also listed as "highly likely" to commit terrorist atrocities. There are also other terrorist groups operating in London, such as ETA who are likely to conduct activities outside of the UK.
Haven't you heard of the activities of the ALF against animal researchers. I suppose that you could make the point if they get their wish and stop medical development, they will actually kill more people than any Muslim terrorist is likely to.
Now one other question. You call all other parties dishonest, yet you duck all of the difficult questions. What about my Cab driver from Basra. What would you do with him. It is a simple enough question to answer, unless you are a bit scared of telling the truth.
Posted by: Joe, Cable Street on 12:03pm Wed 30 Apr 08
'Lonely' may well be accurate Rog T.
If BNP supporters took the time to go and meet some Muslims - or whoever the scapegoat du jour happens to be - they might make some friends and realise into the bargain that almost everybody else has very moderate views when compared to themselves.
'Lonely' may well be accurate Rog T.
If BNP supporters took the time to go and meet some Muslims - or whoever the scapegoat du jour happens to be - they might make some friends and realise into the bargain that almost everybody else has very moderate views when compared to themselves.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 6:23pm Fri 2 May 08
Well for the record, the BNP landslide thier fans talked about above amounted to less than 4% of the vote in Hale.
Unlike some people I like the BNP standing. It gives us all a chance to see how unpopular they really are.
Well for the record, the BNP landslide thier fans talked about above amounted to less than 4% of the vote in Hale.
Unlike some people I like the BNP standing. It gives us all a chance to see how unpopular they really are.
Posted by: Dawn, of the Holiday Inn?? on 8:47pm Sun 4 May 08
How can anybody say they like seeing the BNP standing in elections? breeding rascism, intolerance and fear!
The only people
who like seeing the BNP standing in elections are closet supporters of their aims.
How can anybody say they like seeing the BNP standing in elections? breeding rascism, intolerance and fear!
The only people
who like seeing the BNP standing in elections are closet supporters of their aims.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 10:51am Mon 5 May 08
Dawn,
You really are a fool. What part of the statement that it shows they have no support don't you understand.
Don't you believe in democracy? It may be a difficult concept for you but the biggest strength of a democracy is that it gives us the majority the chance to show those with repugnant ideas how irrelevant they are. If they don't stand they will go on believing that there is a silent majority in agreement with them, who are disenfranchised.
I think your attempt to state that I am a BNP supporter, given the discussion in the thread above is disgusting. It just shows what a thoroughly dishonest person you must be.
Dawn,
You really are a fool. What part of the statement that it shows they have no support don't you understand.
Don't you believe in democracy? It may be a difficult concept for you but the biggest strength of a democracy is that it gives us the majority the chance to show those with repugnant ideas how irrelevant they are. If they don't stand they will go on believing that there is a silent majority in agreement with them, who are disenfranchised.
I think your attempt to state that I am a BNP supporter, given the discussion in the thread above is disgusting. It just shows what a thoroughly dishonest person you must be.
Posted by: Rog T, Mill Hill on 1:05pm Mon 5 May 08
Don,
I don't know about you, but I find being called a BNP supporter far more abusive than being called a fool.
What about you, where do you stand. Would you like to be called a BNP supporter?
I think that only a fool could read through this thread and conclude I was a BNP supporter so I think the term fool is fair comment.
By the way, is Don your real name. It seems that some of the responses to my comments have been coming from certain, rather esteemed locals.
Their seems to be a little bit of a coordinated campaign here.
Would you say thats disgusting?
Don,
I don't know about you, but I find being called a BNP supporter far more abusive than being called a fool.
What about you, where do you stand. Would you like to be called a BNP supporter?
I think that only a fool could read through this thread and conclude I was a BNP supporter so I think the term fool is fair comment.
By the way, is Don your real name. It seems that some of the responses to my comments have been coming from certain, rather esteemed locals.
Their seems to be a little bit of a coordinated campaign here.
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